To the Leaders and Participants of the Men’s Movement
For some time now I’ve taken an interest in the various elements of the Men’s Movement and have wanted to advocate a different line of thinking that I believe will significantly advance the well being of Western men everywhere.
Most of us intimately know the abyss of pain that comes with the dissolution of a marriage. A pain that is often compounded with the seperation of children from our active presence. There is no doubt to most of us that a deeply imbalanced society has delivered a cruel irony that shreds at the very purpose we men have in elevating society itself through the raising of our families.
The road to happiness is further obstructed when we as men try to establish meaningful relationships with women. However noble our pursuit we are still faced with degraded options, toxic behaviors and jaded material expectations.
Often all available roads lead to a broken heart that cannot easily be repaired.
In the modern women that surround us we unfortunately face an adversary that we actually want to love. However because that desire is turned against us, to pursue them romantically would likely spell our own demise. In the absence of trust.. in the absence of support.. in the absence of sacrifice.. we are faced with a grim calculus of competing interests. And like it or not.. for the sake of ourselves, for our future progeny, and for the very future of society itself we must change this equation.
The only way to do this is to first understand it’s underlying cause which I have known to be simple economics. Not the economics of money or finance but the more basic economics of supply and demand.
Men qualified to be successful husbands vs. women qualified to be successful wives.
When our own society starts to promote the very idea that being a wife is undesirable then the number of women (supply) who are even willing to consider the responsibilities of marriage falls dramatically and this leads to a vicious cycle of demand on the part of men that can never be met though traditional means.
If we realize the cause then the solution becomes obvious in that we should open up every man’s range of choices outside of the traditional domestic domain. For some this may mean looking towards Asia or South America while for many others like myself that path lead to the beautiful and traditional women of Russia and the FSU.
At the heart of most Men’s issues are problems surrounding women. Our own emotional health is heavily dependent on our ability to be naturally loved and nourished with women who are loving supporters and not competitors. Because of this I believe that the Men’s Movement should transition it’s primary advocacy more towards the expansion of relationship choices that we can all benefit from.
It is well known that despair comes from a feeling of helplessness in the face of long term problems while confidence comes from the realization of positive choices ahead. If we again take the economics approach and “open up the market” of options available to us then the anti-male hostility that is so present in our time will dissipate with the wind in short order.
As we all know it takes two to tango but if we collectively select a newer and better partner then someone will be embarassingly left alone on the dance floor to hold their own handbag full of poison.
It’s clear that the existing areas of focus that the Men’s Movement promotes will still remain critically important for the foreseeable future. However the stark warning that I issue is that we do not use the past history of the Women’s movement with it’s never ending focus on victim-hood as a model for our own. Instead we can focus on actual solutions that bring real joy and strength for our future.
Or in the humorous words of one of my friends,
“We can gaze at our belly or we can look towards the sky..”
Gentlemen thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
The Editor
Russian Women the real truth – from a man who actually lives there
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what about us men who would like to move to Russia? i’m sure i’m not the only one who would leave the U.S. for a lifetime of happiness with a loving wife. with all the opertunities for men over there. there must be a bunch of us trying to go. thanks, Dave
Hi Dave,
Check out this post if you haven’t already..
https://russianwomentruth.com/2006/07/25/gladiator-vs-the-pilsbury-dough-boy/
GL
I certainly favor marrying foreign women. I did this myself. But I don’t think this completely solves the problem. Your other article, above, points to other issues.
Feminism has not just made it impossible to find a good wife in the US. It has poisoned the general culture. Now I have kids and I worry about my daughter growing up to be an American woman and my son having to deal with American women. So what is the real solution? Marrying a foreign woman is the right answer to the question of marriage for American men but it isn’t the answer to the other issues. Expatriating may be an answer, but to where? Is Ukraine a good place to work and raise a family? I don’t know since I haven’t been there. From the countries I have seen, it seems that most wealthy countries suffer somewhat from feminism. Is feminism an inevitable result of wealth? This would mean we have to choose between wealth and culture, and I hope that isn’t the case. These are some issues that men’s rights activists have to think through.
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Hi thanks for the thoughtful feedback.
I totally agree with you that the general culture quite possibly may be terminally poisoned.
I would never claim that marrying a more traditional wife is the ultimate solution to dealing with the toxic culture that surrounds us. But I will claim that for a man it’s the most important decision we Men will make to minimize the effects of this within our families. I honestly don’t forsee this problem going away with legislation or media. The only way to deal with this issue is from a grass roots level one happy marriage at a time leading to one happy family at a time.
The family is the very core of a any stable society and the feminist know this. Therefore it’s in their best interest to tear the family apart in the name of women’s “equality and liberation” so that they can gain power and rule over the chaos that follows. All corrupt leadership throughout history has used this very old game to one extent or the other. Divide the family and conquer the society.
You can read a losely related article I wrote about this here
http://russianwomentruth.com/2006/07/30/the-real-reason-why-they-call-it-mother-russia-part-1/
Now obviously I believe that moving to another state or country may provide some compelling advantages because this is something that I am living right now. Any migration like this if it happens is as old as history itself as people like you and me look for better opportunities for them and their families. The good news is that in the age of the Internet these moves are much more easier to accomplish without loosing touch with your roots.
My personal belief is that in any of the FSU countries like Russia the advance of radical Feminism is nearly impossible due to the skewed demographics where women greatly outnumber men. For most of human history women instinctively understand that to survive and prosper meant aspiring for a good marriage amd that fact of nature is still in full force here.
I believe that the feminism culture of the US to be inherently unstable like Communism and ultimately faces a collapse. This is because both Communism and Feminism are based on a fantasy world of enforcing economic, social, and gender “equality”.. That would be like forcing all the creatures within any ecosystem that depend on each other for survivial to all become the same.. then the entire ecosystem collapses and dies. I live in a country that has very obvious proof of this effect.
However even if the Feminist culture does collapse it may do so because of a general chaos and anarchy in society that tears the foundations away from everyone and not just them. If this happens then I wouldn’t want to be living in a society that was facing the start of a new dark age.
Thanks again..
GL
Galactic Love,
I am having the Leader of the Men’s Movement prepare a response to you.
The Leader of the Men’s Movement is going to write an opening statement to you, and it shall be placed here in the most fitting place, on your Open Letter to the Men’s Movement post.
I have been planning for this to happen for a long time, but stupid delays in people’s schedules have unfortunately kept stopping it. But no more
This is very important because the Leader of The Men’s Movement, Masculist Man, is my hero. And you, the Leader of the Russian Women Guys, are my other hero. And I can’t tell you how much it will mean to me for my two heroes to finally meet each other.
Here we go again…..
I’ll say this. That thing (whatever it is) is not any kind of leader. I wouldn’t trust him to lead to a train station.
He has rage issues, and can’t seem to have a rational discussion.
You seem to blame the whole destablization of society on women. The freemason plan is to destabilize the family. You that fallow this things plans are just as guilty of following the freemason’s agenda as the feminists.
I know, I know. Shame and blame says the blind man who trips over the chain saw.
Masculist Man is a raging psychotic who severely compromises the credibility of any anti-feminist movements.
Some of the people whom he hangs out with (a certain Mikee comes to mind) is even more deranged. This individual advocates spree killings and mass murder on various websites on the Internet.
These individuals represent an extreme reaction to an (admittedly) extreme wave of feminism and misandry sweeping the contemporary West, and increasingly, the globe. These individuals lack any rational, intellectual, moral, or ideological basis for their chaotic rants.
They deserve to be marginilised by all thinking Men (and Women).
(More shame and blame??)
Oh… Wolverine et.al. i was just at siberianow and it seems we got another rant..
http://amasculistagainstacanadianliberal.blogspot.com/2007/09/four-stooges.html
Socon, I am going to have Masculist Man write a letter to GL in response to this letter that GL wrote addressing the members and leaders of the Men’s Movement. And also thereby having Masculist Man formally meet GL. That seems to any reasonable person an extremely appropriate thing to have happen.
And now you have spoilt part of it by putting all this anti-Masculist Man stuff where the letter is supposed to be.
Yet another bumbling move by you.
And you too Wolverine.
Did I spoil your little plan kid?? Awwww…. The little boy is upset because the big, bad Wolverine did something that the bay didn’t want him to.
Honestly, I wouldn’t care at all. For all I care, his letter could be on post 513. I have read his blog, and found nothing that I can personally stand for. He will not be my leader.
He sounds like a disgruntled McDonalds employee that makes $7 and hour, lives in his mom’s basement, has rage issues against all women because they ask for something, however small it is. Probably hates his mother like Luke does. Oh, I think I hear his mom asking him to take out the trash again.
When selecting heroes, normal men take the rotten apples out of the mix. Normal men look for character of the person.
No Wolverine, you didn’t spoil it at all. The letter is going to go onto this post.
But you are being disrespectful to both Masculist Man and GL.
Let’s look at the facts. GL took the time to write an open letter to the Men’s Movement. Any fool would realize that the proper thing to have happen would to have some prominent people within the Men’s Movement have their responses there.
By putting up a scene where that is supposed to happen, you are being disrespectful to both GL and the people in the Men’s Movement who are going to write their responses to GL’s letter here.
You’re right about him not being rich. He isn’t. He is a working class man, you’re right, and he doesn’t have the money to take trips to Russia or Poland or the other exotic places that people who have more money like us go to.
But that doesn’t make him less of a man or less capable of a leader. If anything it makes him more admirable.
No, of course he is not your leader Wolverine, but you are not in the Men’s Movement, so that explains why he’s not your leader.
The point is, I am going to have Masculist Man respond to GL’s letter to the Men’s Movement. And then I’m going to have some other big names in the Men’s Movement put their responses to GL’s letter here as well.
And I would appreciate it if you could remain civil during that, and be respectful to both GL and the people in the Men’s Movement who are going to be responding.
Thank you.
In anticipation of Masculist Man’s response, I have found some responses to GL’s letter on the Antimisandry board, from other MRA’s. And I will put those responses here.
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Yan Yan said:
Ok Galacticlove, the site is bonafide.
The English is meticulous – better than some of us could produce- and the manners impeccable.
I know a little about this business. You would understand if you check my location. We’re all for open markets but we weren’t born yesterday.
Would you care to confide to us your real motives? Just asking.
[Contextual Note: He comes from the West, he moved to the Philippines and he has two wives both from the Philippines).
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Sealion said:
why does this post make me suspicious ????
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Marx said:
Indeed, sealion. I was discussing this with Yan Yan…
Coming from a sales environment (PC World, England), it does ring a few ‘sales pitch’ bells with me.
But still…
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KellyMac said:
This letter was sent out after his site got nominated for BestBlog, then banned because of feminist outcry. It went to members of his site, and people who posted in support, as far as I know. I got one.
Luke,
I’ve been busy so this is the first time I’ve been able to sound off on what you’ve been talking about.
The total irony of this entire discussion is that your call sign is Luke Skywalker yet you are increasingly being pulled by the dark side of force.
What was some of the stuff Yoda was saying all along.. Fear, Anger, Pain, Revenge.. All that stuff only creates chaos in people’s lives and for the society at large.
You are asking for a whole lot of very long term misery if you take an aggressive and militant stance and decide to use the same dirty tricks they employ against them.
And Luke more importantly.. when you eventually do come to Russia the girls will want to know what you are all about.. and telling them that you are a Feminist Hater Activist is not going to endear you to the beautiful women over here.
They are going to think that something is seriously wrong if you devote yourself to that track in Life and they won’t be interested in you.
They are much more interested in if you can be a good and loving father and husband. This is a skill just like any other.. And it takes lots of time and energy to master. So you might as well start learning the right way now Luke..
The more you throw yourself into the world of revenge and hatred the less you will be able to play the role of Husband and Father.
And ultimately just like the Feminist you will be alone..
Not a pretty picture I assure you Luke.
I urge you to keep things positive and lucid with your postings. Take your lumps when you need to but also keep moving forward with your life in a positive way and not the life of others who are just the opposite.
Take a break from all of this debating buddy.. go for a long walk in the woods.. talk to the man upstairs.. and we’ll catch you when you are nice and settled.
GL
response to the lunatics:
http://socon.wordpress.com/2007/09/30/these-lunatics-do-not-speak-for-real-men/
Here’s the thing GL:
I know what this is supposed to be like because before I was even involved in this whole thing I had a very feminine, very demure girlfriend from a the rural area surrounding Muskegon (Michigan).
And we talked about each other’s backgrounds, sure, but I don’t ever remember it being in the form of an interrogation of “Everything I’m All About”. Maybe it’s because neither of us were very talkative, maybe it’s because we were both only 18, I don’t know. But there never was a session in which she tried to probe me for my stance on every single political/socioeconomic belief that I held. We both favored the Republican party, and that was enough for us.
From my experience with my demure, feminine Muskegon girlfriend, and even from the experiences I had with the Polish girls, frankly I think you’re reading into problems which aren’t going to exist.
And even if they did exist, there’s the larger issue of the fact that I simply refuse to compromise my stances or my beliefs just because some girl does or does not like them. I’m not a wishy washy person. I’m a person who takes a stand.
People here have been portraying me as a selfish lunatic. But I am the farthest thing from that, because I won’t be happy until all my fellow MRA’s are free of the oppression of feminism. I could be lying next to the most beautiful girl in the world, and I still won’t be truly happy until all those men are free.
What am I saying? Of course you’re the one who knows what complications are and aren’t going to exist when dating Russian women, not me. And if you say that they probe you to find out everything that you’re all about, then fine, that’s what they do.
What I’m saying though is that not every woman does that. My Muskegon girl didn’t, for instance.
But hey, she’s a Muskegon woman, not a Russian woman.
But anyway, if you add this thing that you’re now saying about Russian women probing my beliefs to what Rexpat said about them constantly testing you to what you said earlier about that great big list of characteristics that you have to have to even more characteristics that Rexpat said that you have to have, I can pretty much forsee that we probably won’t get along very well, and they might not be the best match for me personally.
It’s nothing against them, it’s just that I’ve been seeing recently from your descriptions of what Russian women expect that I’d have a better chance of getting along with another Muskegon girl than a Russian woman in a relationship based on what you guys are telling me about long term relationships with Russian women and based on what I know first hand about long term relationships with Muskegon women.
“From my experience with my demure, feminine Muskegon girlfriend, and even from the experiences I had with the Polish girls, frankly I think you’re reading into problems which aren’t going to exist.”
I would second GL’s comment on the issue, Luke. I understand you’re trying to better lives of others and that’s admirable; however, unless it is done with integrity and in a dignified way, the truth will ALWAYS surface. Take the Bush administrations prosecution of the war on terror. Their intent to protect US interests and citizens admirable, but the way they go about is reprehensible – preemptive strike, nullification of Geneva convention, bypassing due process, secret wiretaps… These are not all very different from the Machiavelli means that MRM advocates. Also not different from the Feminists movements way of lies and distortion of statistics. The Bush administration has lost the US’s respect around the world, and Feminist’s name is in the mud. We are judged by our actions. That which is inside of our soul will always come out for the world to see.
-M
“But anyway, if you add this thing that you’re now saying about Russian women probing my beliefs to what Rexpat said about them constantly testing you”
Everyone is tested in all relationships, man and woman, business and pleasure, job interviews, games we play, poker… even dealing with a car salesman. try that one.
So true Ceiver, life is always testing us. Many (if not most) things just are the way they are whether we like it or not, and we must learn their nature and rules if we want to be successful in them. Expecting the world to take you on your own terms is the hallmark of an immature and unseasoned young man.
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