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Easier US Visas for Russian Women Coming?

04/19/2011
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As you may have guessed, I’m a big advocate of international travel, so anything that facilitates it is certainly a welcome development.

This is especially true for Americans and Russians becoming better able to visit each other’s country.

Unfortunately, up to this point the ability for any Russian Woman to actually get her US Visa has been severely restricted.  I wrote about the personal consequences of this in a previous post of a young lady I know who was rejected for a Visa by the US Embassy.

Well there may be some light on the horizon.

Russian President Medvedev has seriously raised the issue of easing visa restrictions in his upcoming meeting in May with President Obama.

Obviously, if this were successful then it would be a very good thing for many of you Gentlemen and a wide myriad of Russian Ladies who would most likely get their first taste of what life in the West is like.

Lets hope for the best on this because this one decision has the real potential of changing the personal relationship environment for both countries.

Medvedev, Obama to discuss easing visa regime for Russians visiting U.S.

The easing of visa restrictions for Russian citizens traveling to the United States will be a focus during talks between Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and his U.S. counterpart Barack Obama in France’s Deauville in May.

During a meeting with residents of Russia’s Siberian city of Irkutsk on Sunday, Medvedev said he had sent Obama a letter with the relevant request and “intended to discuss it seriously.”Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin proposed abolishing visas for Russian and U.S. citizens during a meeting with U.S. Vice President Joe Biden in Moscow in March.

In mid-April, Michael McFaul, a top national security aide at the White House, said Washington hoped to conclude a new visa agreement with Russia and took the issue “seriously.”On Putin’s proposal, McFaul said the prime minister “had joked” when he suggested that the visas could be scrapped.

He said a new agreement would not include a visa-free regime, but would be an improvement from what exists between the two countries today.Currently, the issuing of U.S. visas for Russian citizens is a long and complicated process, which many Russian tourists and businessmen have complained of.

Russia is also pushing the European Union on abolishing visas for Russians, but the talks have so far yielded no significant results.

(original article here)

 

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68 Responses to Easier US Visas for Russian Women Coming?

  1. Kisha on 04/19/2011 at 3:42 am

    My advice would be to get the ugliest foto of yourself for the visa.

    • Ken in Atlanta on 04/19/2011 at 3:49 am

      That’s funny Kisha, however I don’t think that most of the eligible Russian ladies even OWN an ugly picture of themselves!
      This may be a problem.

      • Kisha on 04/19/2011 at 4:30 am

        Ken, I’m sure everyone does as pictures for the documents always turn out to be the scariest. A little bit of work and a Russian beauty becomes a trustworthy visa applicant!

        • sam r ogilvie on 04/19/2011 at 11:13 am

          I am willing to sell my mug to any pretty girl wishing to come this way. Heck, I’ll share it for free!

          • Kisha on 04/20/2011 at 1:27 am

            Pretty girls will have to undergo a sex change then, Sam. The trick is to look like yourself in the pic, just bad =)

          • sam r ogilvie on 04/20/2011 at 5:11 am

            :)) That was my goal! To help the girls bad, very bad!

          • sam r ogilvie on 04/20/2011 at 5:14 am

            Excuse me. I meant to say, “To help the girls LOOK bad………”

        • Jim on 09/12/2011 at 5:59 pm

          I just think this not letting young ladies get Visas is down right cruel. I have been corresponding with some really honest good looking ladies in Russia that are really honest. What gives Putin the right to keep all them to himself. I would of been married with one by now if not for all the hassle.

  2. sam r ogilvie on 04/19/2011 at 5:44 am

    That’s some news that’s worth reading. Russian citizens, U.S. citizens and the world will benefit from this attempt to make travel between the countries easier.

    It’s remarkable how a simple trip to another country by one person can change the perspectives and attitudes of many. As I have mentioned before, my late Aunt Jeanie’s trip to the Soviet Union during the height of the cold war forever changed my family’s worldview. The lingering animosity and resentment I see in many people of both countries is not healthy, but the new friendships and business relationships that should form with freer travel should help alleviate much of that.

    • Kisha on 11/20/2011 at 9:29 am

      Sam,
      Can you tell us more about your auntie Jeanie trip to the USSR? I’m really curious!

      • sam ogilvie on 11/20/2011 at 7:50 pm

        Kisha, thanks to your prompt, I spent a couple of hours this afternoon going through an old cedar chest filled with newspaper clippings, photographs, letters and genealogical material that my late Aunt Jeanie left in our care. I was looking for details about her trip behind the Iron Curtain, but, surprisingly, I’ve yet to find any. At the moment, all I have are vivid memories of her stories about your land and your people. Though not a gifted person, she was artistic, personable, inquisitive, and had a sharp eye for physical and psychological detail. In addition, she was quite a storyteller, and had the ability to hold the attention of restless, young children like me. At the time, in my thoughts, Russia was a land of stout older women, stern, pale-faced men who wanted to destroy me, frozen Siberia, and bleak Red Square. As I have said, Aunt Jeanie’s glorious recounting of the treasures she saw and the people she encountered turned my thinking on its head. She emphasized the intelligence, and resilience of the people she learned about through museums, paintings, monuments, architecture and personal encounters. She brought Red Square to life, paintings to life, had prima ballerinas twirling and most importantly, enabled me to understand that there were people behind all that propaganda who lived and loved much as we did.
        I am confident that I will find more. She was a meticulous record keeper and knew that such things would be of interest to family members at some point in the future. She understood life’s progression and ironies. Young boys who think trips out to cemeteries and old homes for the sake of genealogies are stupid and a waste of good play time, eventually come around and develop an interest in those things. The same could be said for old plane tickets and trip itineraries. She saved them, so unless someone else tossed them, they are there for me to find and study.
        I’m sorry I don’t have more at this point, but I can say that I am 100% sure the old gal did her part to improve international relations while in Russia. I’m sure recipes were exchanged, and cultural events were discussed, and I hope we all have benefited in some way from those things. I am thankful for your interest, Kisha. I do hope you will document times and places in your own life. Please print neatly and identify everything, because, I can assure you, it will be of great interest to someone in the future, and they will treasure your thoughtfulness.

        • Kisha on 11/21/2011 at 2:52 am

          That’s very interesting Sam, I do hope you found more.

          I recently found a note of handwriting from my great grandfather, where he was outlining a plan for his future book about his dear wife. My greatgrandpa was a writer and all of his book never went further than his desk draw. There are no family jewells nor land we could claim back. Docs were burnt and French, Latin and German never taught to their daughters.
          I always listened eagerly to what my grandparents told me about their families and always marveled at how different those stories were. As my family is a mix of all possible backgrounds and occupations, including old nobility, peasants, petty burgeousy and small gentry.

  3. wolverine on 04/19/2011 at 8:59 am

    I know a russian girl working as a nanny in Finland. She has a masters in languages, and is a translator. She told me here recently that she wanted to come to Canada, and as a translator, she’d have to wait at least a few years. If she comes as a nanny, she’ll be given permanent residency after 18 months in the country, and it’s a 6 month wait to get in…

    • Alina on 05/21/2011 at 3:29 pm

      And sadly, here in Canada uneducated Muslims keep on flocking instead of cultivated people… Whenever one turns one sees a woman in a chador or a hijab pushing a baby stroller while three more children trail behind her. The street where I live in used to be clean, we had a lot of ‘smart’ folks, lawyers and the like. Now it’s dirty and unsafe because Canada won’t stop accepting people from Muslim countries instead of European ones… Sad, really. Not to sound xenophobe, but truly these people do not contribute to society except in bearing more and more children who will likely turn out only a bit more educated than the parents. Instead of this cultured Russian nanny we’ll get a ton of ignorant Muslim women and their children in Canada this year…

      • wolverine on 05/23/2011 at 5:07 pm

        I guess we will find out what will happen. Coming as a caregiver means that caregivers can only come alone. They can’t bring family or anything else…

      • Rayda Jacobs on 09/19/2012 at 12:48 am

        It is sad to note that there are still voices like yours that spew disrespect and hate for a particular group of people. I am a Muslim woman. I am a writer and a filmmaker. I have written ten books plus a best seller. As you so ignorantly declare Muslim women with babies an eyesore and uneducated, why don’t you learn to be less judgmental and keep your hatred to yourself? I lived in Canada for 27 years. I am indeed proud of having done so and having spent my formative years in Canada. “These people” that you so broadly condemn DO contribute to society, and I am one of them. Broaden your knowledge, dear. Educate yourself.

  4. Richard on 04/19/2011 at 9:11 am

    My heart smiles at the possibilities and potential of such a summit, lest we forget that it is being handled by two world leaders, at least one of whom is inclined to destroy family values as a part of his regular, daily beliefs.

    In my heart, I seriously hope and pray that there is a chance that legitimate travel and immigration processes can be streamlined. Even though the policies in NA are terribly lax and rarely live up to their intended purpose, I would love to see people with a true desire to make such moves and assimilate into a new culture, have an opportunity to do so without being treated like gold diggers and criminals. However, I am equally disturbed by the vast numbers who come to NA without the slightest intention of doing anything more than take advantage of an already weakened system.

    While I applaud the premise, I will sit cautiously awaiting the display of sanctions and restrictions to be added into a new and faster process for travel between the two countries.

    Also, please remember that every sword cuts both ways. If history has proven nothing else, it has clearly shown that political leaders very rarely do what we ask unless; a) they have something greater to gain personally, or b) they have a gun literally to their head to remove all other levels of reasoning. Since neither of these two men will be discussing the situation with guns at their heads, I must ask, “What’s in it for them”?

    If the results bring a new open door policy, and it is actually brought into use within some reasonable time frame, how long might it be before abuse outpaces legitimate use of the new program? Then, of course, how much longer after that before the whole thing is viewed as a disaster which ‘nobody saw coming’?

    My apprehension is real and it is fair, as I have watched political maneuvering closely since my childhood. From the day that I walked my neighbor Cindy home from school the day President Kennedy was shot, I have carried a burning desire to see who was running the country and what they stood for. Anyone in my age group who has been even remotely paying attention since then can say without hesitation that world political arena is a very muddy field, indeed.

    Let’s all hope that this good idea isn’t just another political showcase where the inherent value is lost before the plan ever comes to fruition.

  5. wolverine on 04/19/2011 at 10:58 am

    The glass is actually very clear, the people who control the money control the world… end of discussion…

    • sam r ogilvie on 04/19/2011 at 11:11 am

      You are a smart and observant boy, Wolverine!!! :)

  6. wolverine on 04/19/2011 at 11:22 am

    Been studying government, and how to lift myself above it for about a decade now… It’s all part and parcel…

  7. sam r ogilvie on 04/19/2011 at 3:40 pm

    Speaking for the few people in foreign countries I know, most say that they like the fact that President Obama acknowledges that there is a perspective other than the American perspective and that they think that is a sign of personal strength, knowledge and maturity. Ironically, Russia and America may well be the most provincial countries in the history of the world. Russians, of course, spent decades behind the iron curtain and Americans have been hindered by geographic isolation and perhaps a bit of arrogance.
    Whatever the case, I think both countries stand a great deal to gain from the free interchange of ideas and more cooperation.

    My continuing experience at VK brings me to a subject that is off topic but of interest anyway, I think. In my recent conversations with a few Russian males, I have seen a striking similarity between them and the average “Joe” here in the South. Both groups expend a lot of energy trying to maintain a macho, homophobic front. My mom used to say that a man “posing” is a man with some serious insecurities and more than likely a man with an inferiority complex. I’m very much a typical red-blooded man, but I realize that few tweaks of my genetic code could have produced a very different sort of person. My goodness, I could have been born uglier than I am, and a resident of Belarus. Heck, I could have been female, too. Amazingly, I had no say in the matter!

  8. sam r ogilvie on 04/19/2011 at 3:46 pm

    P.S. I thought I could add something to the entry on hair extensions, but, unfortunately, the one friend I had that sells the cotton-picking things unfriended me for some reason. She has a wealth of information posted at her page, which I no longer have access to. If she doesn’t have some sort of sponsor, there’s serious money to made in that business. She constantly shuttles between Moscow and New York and posts pictures of trips to exotic locales constantly. She expressed a desire to move to New York permanently. Since she unfriended me, I may have to call immigration and try to prevent that!!! Just kidding! We need all the long hair we can get here in the States.

  9. Stuart on 04/20/2011 at 10:03 pm

    Does anyone know of any single Russian women looking for a British husband?

    • Kisha on 04/21/2011 at 1:55 am

      For a British residency permit you mean? Try dating sites there should be plenty.

      • Stuart on 04/21/2011 at 4:58 am

        No, for a husband

  10. xekeno on 04/21/2011 at 11:25 am

    Actually, I am not so sure if this is a good idea. The USA is falling apart and with Japan’s Nuclear Disaster that isn’t helping things. Face it the USA is probably one of the most corrupt countries in the world. It wasn’t always that way but it is now.

    I think it’s a bad idea, if FSU woman start coming over here they could get corrupted by what is over here. I think it’s better to leave it like it is for now. That’s just my Opinion, plus I wouldn’t want American businessmen to take advantage of Russia and it’s Plentiful resources.

    America needs to stay out of Russia, but if your are an american citizen that’s a different story. If you want to go to Russia that’s fine, but you should work for it.

    These women are one of the last of their kind in the whole world. Do you really want them to have access to the corrupt system over here?
    America is becoming more and more of a police state for those of your who are not paying attention.

    Just something for you people to think about.

    • xekeno on 04/21/2011 at 1:39 pm

      Take A Look At This Gorgeous Photo…

      http://goo.gl/crgV0

    • Lisa on 11/22/2011 at 2:03 am

      in russia women often dont have a chance for marriage and kids
      we have 20 million more women then men its the federal statistics
      if Russian women can go somewhere and find a husband Im all for it
      besides they ll be able to know american guys better and decide whether they want to stay or not
      there will be more happy marriages
      u would prefer russian gals to remain in our manless concentration camp? russia is a lovely country but it has no men
      we re just tired of sharing 1 guy on 5 girls or live with alkoholics
      we dont want to take away westerners money or jobs
      we simply want family and children and in russia its impossible to get a good husband unless ure not a model with a rich daddy
      sorry for being so straightforward
      just saying how I fell it
      if more russian gals move out our guys wont be so spoiled with womes attention and maybe then they ll start changing and stop drinking
      I dont hate russian men I just experienced so much hardship from them, Im really glad if at least one russian chic can make a USA man happy due to new visa regulations

      • Kisha on 11/22/2011 at 4:34 am

        Lisa,
        where abouts are you from in Russia?
        I find it difficult to believe that all our men (I’m a Russian gal myself) are alcoholics or not marriage material.
        Also, model type rich dadies girls do not seem to marry the best men, quite the opposite.

        • Lisa on 11/22/2011 at 8:10 am

          hey kisha, i´m from the south of russia
          there ARE GOOD guys in Russia, but many of them fail to chooose the good girls because they re only interested in “model quality women”
          while some really nice if not exactly super stunning russian girls are simply not noticed by men
          I talk about the experience of me and my best girlfriends
          when going abroad we felt treated like princesses
          while in russia I often feel oveerlooked
          so I just think that good and modest russian girls (not gold diggers) should have a chance to meet someone special
          maybe some US guy who is not so rich and handsome but lovable and has family values
          just my humble opinion=)))
          btw I dont think american women are evil either
          Im sure there many US girls who are just too shy to flirt with guys and are overlooked as well while the bitchy and often slutty “prom queens” rule everything and break mens hearts
          I got nothing against beautiful women who get plenty of dates EVERYWHERE but some women need to change the location in order to find someone. I just feel like every girl deserves to be happy and if she needs to travel the world for that then be it!

          • Lisa on 11/22/2011 at 9:12 am

            only the bad thing is
            its not so easy to find friends abroad
            many western guys compliment russian girls beauty and all that
            but no so many are open to a serious relationship with a foreighn woman especially from russia
            thanx to golddigger girls russian women nowadays have not the best reputation abroad
            its like a lottery u know
            u might get lucky with a foreighn man u might not
            but if u play that lottery in russia there far less numbers to pull out so the chances of winning a prize ( a decent and honest man) are lower

          • Kisha on 11/23/2011 at 4:16 am

            I got your point Lisa,
            However, I myself never felt overlooked, despite being far from a supermodel. It might be due to the fact I have always had plenty of male friends and studied and worked in predominantely male environment.
            At the same time I wouldn’t want Russia to drop visa requirements for foreingers on her side solely as it will open the gates for hordes of sex tourists, like it did in Ukraine.

          • sam ogilvie on 11/23/2011 at 6:16 am

            Lisa, I am going to butt in once again, because I want to emphasize an important point once again. Polls may indicate that men have a certain standard of beauty, and we know that image well, but, in reality, the standard of beauty varies, quite literally, from man to man. Women,in general,spend far too much time fretting over the appearance of Lucy down the street, and it is heartbreaking.
            I think you are wise to recognize that love doesn’t know borders. I admire your courage. Most men don’t like to be pursued, but they must have contact with you. Put yourself in the company of good men. Talk with them and treat them with dignity and respect. Forget the idiots out chasing superficiality. Thankfully, many of them will mature, so be patient with them.
            I was happy to see that Kisha addressed physical appearance. She’s pointed out that some/many of my Russian “friends” are models or look like models. I mean no disrespect to my newly married friend, and I say this to further emphasize my point, but I find her more physically appealing than the whole lot of them. Again, men, and I have discussed this with hundreds of men, see a package and they can’t break down its appeal into its components. They see a lovely smile or a nice curl and wit, intellect, a big heart or some other quality is all mixed in with it. For years, I have strived to see the wives of many of my handsome male friends through their eyes. I have sought to see what exactly appeals to them, and, in time, it becomes evident if not immediately so.
            Okay, I’ve been consuming too much caffeine lately and have been talking/typing a bunch, but I am through for now. Take care, girls.
            And guys.

          • Kisha on 11/24/2011 at 5:33 am

            Omg Sam thanks a lot! I do not even know what to say!

          • sam r ogilvie on 11/24/2011 at 8:38 am

            You are welcome, Kisha. I feared I might embarrass or anger you, but I wanted to illustrate a point with the truth. The topic is so critically important to me and the world. I probably dwell on the issue too much, but I encounter young females here in the States regularly that are wonderful, but who beat themselves up over real or imagined societal expectations and images, and it troubles me. I guess some of those feelings are genetic in nature, but we all play a role in shaping a world full of lies and poor images.

          • Kisha on 11/25/2011 at 5:32 am

            Sam,
            my dad always used to say, that female beauty was more about wits, character and personality than the beauty itself. He said in the years of his youth he often noted that more beautiful girls were less popular than their somewhat plain friends. He refered to it as a inner flame and said that not having it is far worse than not having long legs or small nose, or whatever is belived to be beautiful.
            You are right about what our society impose as beauty standards. Not quite the lady with an ermite.

          • sam r ogilvie on 11/28/2011 at 8:39 am

            Thanks for sharing your dad’s wise perception, Kisha. If I had a daughter, that’s one thing I would emphasize from the very beginning. I would encourage her to take what she “has” and run with it, and to be a good steward of her own gifts and the gifts around her. Critics and naysayers abound, but a girl with a foundation and purpose is not going to be brought down by them.

          • Richard on 11/28/2011 at 12:35 pm

            Kisha,

            I sure agree with what your dad told you about wit, character and personality. Those traits are the tools which allow friendships to form which ultimately can lead to more meaningful relationships in the game of life. Having beauty is like having a golden invitation to the competition; it gets you “in the door” quickly and easily. But if beauty is all a person has, they are soon found to be lacking in any real value as a competitor, and as a person.

            Attractive women have used their beauty throughout time and generally speaking, they are the ones who end up living hollow, empty lives as they continually relive past “victories” rather than enjoying present blessings.

            In our current society, women make demands on everyone, for everything and yet they are not just the ones fortunate enough to be born with great looks or a fantastic figure; they are of average (or less) attractive appearance but have been completely sold on the idea of being owed respect without having a personality capable of earning that respect. They’re not witty or personable and they lack character. They are hard, cold, unflinching and angry. Their anger, almost always focused on men, is actually more directly related to their jealousy toward other women. Again, something that has gone on forever.

            When we see NA women taking a harsh stance toward foreign women, especially women who are more open minded, more attractive, and more dignified, it is primarily because they see those foreign women as a higher caliber of competitor. The NA woman knows she has less to offer and resents the “outsiders” moving in on her territory but rather than bring their own character into question (or Heaven forbid try to change themselves for the better) they simply stand in defiance and condemn the foreigners. How indicative of the modern NA woman to act this way. It is a trademark of our current condition here in NA, but I fear that such a mindset is quickly spreading around the globe as we continually shrink our world with technology and turn away from traditional family values.

            You, Kisha, are ahead of the game for having been raised around the sort of values that all of humankind once held dear.

          • Richard on 11/28/2011 at 1:07 pm

            Sam,

            I’m almost sorry that you don’t have a daughter. There is a dire need for little girls today to have fathers who believe as some of us do, and an even more dire need for fathers who are able to speak openly with those daughters about how vitally important it is for them to believe in their own gifts and strengths enough to hold onto them despite a screwed up world trying to change them.

            When I look at my daughter and a few other girls in her age group, I go out of my way to compliment those young people for being firm in their perceptions about “the world” verses the person they are. I also make a regular practice of telling parents when their daughters (and sons) are acting respectfully at social events or around school or church and other activities.

            At our old school, which was a very small private school, we had some very competitive girls on our volleyball team. They were committed to the game; making it to practices early and almost always staying late. Our school floored the smallest team numbers in our region (graduating classes of about 12 or 13 seniors per year) and our overall height per player was about average. Though we did well often, we didn’t always have the greatest winning percentage at the end of the season. However, we rather consistently held one point of recognition in our conference; our girls nearly always brought home the Sportsmanship Trophy. If there was ever a way to trade that trophy for a conference title, I think you know, I never would. But the real point of note is that the girls were always more proud of that award than they were of their winning percentages, too.

            Because of the sense of family created in a small school like our old one, many of our families still socialize regularly. Seeing how those girls have grown into fine young women and seeing the sort of young men that have entered some of their lives, there are notable signs of hope for traditional families in this region, albeit a small demographic. It does show that some young people in NA are strong enough of character to buck the modern trends and stay with what they know in their hearts to be proper behavior.

            Yes, I know that they aren’t perfect and that life has a way of knocking down even the strong at times, but it is very rewarding to watch kids grow into adults and keep the bonds that were offered to them by strong, loving parents.

          • sam ogilvie on 11/28/2011 at 9:21 pm

            Thank you, Richard. I am always interested in reading about successful parenting, mature and enlightened role models, and solid young people, so I am thankful for your comments. I know from personal experience that young people are impacted in an immeasurably positive way by adults who show an interest in them and provide supportive comments and guidance. I imagine some will return to you in the years to come and express their gratitude. “Paying forward” in a myriad of ways is a hallmark of a great society, and your approach is undoubtedly a powerful illustration of that concept and tradition.

            This website and other new social media have allowed us to circumvent the powers that be, and discuss matters like this in an international forum. Hopefully, when the inevitable boyish posturing over economic, social and political issues gets heated between our countries, we can recall our common ground and remember names, if not faces, of friends, and avoid adding fuel to the dangerous hysteria. We must remember that Lisa and others are looking for the same things we are, and they deserve our respect, and support. You know that better than anybody, Richard, and I am impressed by that as much as anything else.

          • Kisha on 11/29/2011 at 9:47 am

            Richard, it’s not just me who was raised with those values. It is also Sam and I’m sure plenty of people around the globe.

            Beuty is a fickle substance but all women seem to want to posess.
            Here’s something we all have seen too many times. And it is the same everywhere.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067391/Why-DO-young-women-dressed-like-We-meet-nightclubbers-unsettling-answer.html

  11. sam r ogilvie on 04/21/2011 at 11:26 am

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/greathomesanddestinations/21gh-location.html?hpw

    Stuart, the Latvian woman that owns the home(linked above)isn’t your type, but if you are in to sleek modernity, you might like her house. At $950,000 it’s a long way from an old Soviet style apartment, but I don’t like the “George Jetson look” myself.

    Beware of those dating sites! :)

    • Stuart on 05/01/2011 at 10:59 am

      I don’t really agree with being introduced to someone over a computer. I’m too old-fashioned. I’m yet to find anyone who appreciates who I am as a human being. I don’t look at people like a cattle auction, we have certain qualities that people can find only from personal contact.

      • Richard on 05/01/2011 at 3:33 pm

        I couldn’t agree more. It is a sad statement on our world that we have reduced meeting a romantic interest by sitting at a computer scanning pictures “like a cattle auction”.

  12. johnUK on 04/22/2011 at 5:14 pm

    Berlusconi has caught Russian women fever.

  13. LL on 04/29/2011 at 10:14 pm

    I’d have to say I’d favor the relaxation of Visa requirements. There could be some bad apples come over, but I think the days of the ladies coming over and then just staying are probably over.

    And I must say… there’s a lot of this part of the world that is worth seeing.

  14. Freeburg on 08/29/2011 at 6:11 pm

    I was in Ukraine in April and visited my fiance and her family. There is hope that the Visa process will be easier. I think many guys do not realize that they will be asked to help thier new wifes family financialy and or to help them imigrate. I accept this as part of the package.

  15. Kisha on 11/21/2011 at 6:50 am

    I haven’t had a chance to visit the US yet, but my experience with Canadian Border agency has been the most unplesant one so far.
    I was picked out of the crowd of people who were boarding (!) the plane to have a chat with a female immigration officer when I was leaving (!) the country. She was asking me exactly the same questions I had already unswered at immigration on my arrival to Vancouver.
    As nothing like that had ever happened to be before and the officer also crossed the line with her questions I just had to ask why I was picked out from the crowd. The unswer was “You have a Russian passport”. On my right another officer was interogating a middle eastern looking chap. A terrorist and a prostitute.

    • sam ogilvie on 11/21/2011 at 9:24 pm

      Kisha,

      I can’t believe that B…. is still working up there! Hah! Years ago, long before 9-11, I used to cross over into Canada frequently, and I had two bad encounters with a woman at an eastern crossing and one out in British Columbia. Another time, when returning from a football game in Detroit to my first cousin’s home in Sarnia, Canada, immigration made us all exit our car and enter a room for questions. They never offered an explanation, but I assume they figured that I, a white, Southern boy, must surely have been trying to smuggle some weed and moonshine in to sell to the locals. I’ve never been good at winking, but as we got back into our carefully searched car, I managed to reel off a wink for the ages at the old b…. that gave us so much grief. I cackled under my breath, too, and never regretted it. Those people have a job to do, but that doesn’t mean they can treat law-abiding citizens poorly.

      Changing the subject, as you probably know, a routine practice at the social site Vkontakte is for females to post weekly updates of their profile pictures. The average post will elicit several “likes” and a dozen or more comments. Some of the younger girls will even send private messages requesting comments on their pictures. The bizarre thing is that they will often remove positive comments immediately. Tonight, between reading articles in the NYT, I spied a photo post from one of the least physically attractive girls at VK. She seemed to really appreciate a previous sincere and positive comment, so I quickly typed out something mundane like, “Beautiful perch(she was sitting on a nice seat in what appeared to be a well-manicured park) to enjoy a nice fall day from. Lovely. What were you thinking about? I hope you were having happy thoughts and not worrying about something”(She seemed to be in a pensive mood). Well, she speaks English fluently, so there was no mis-communication, but she responded like a riled up, bitchy Canadian immigration official. I felt violated and humiliated, much like you did, I’m sure. Her final comment to me was a warning to say no more. Sadly, my tolerance of rudeness has dropped to zero over the years, so I quickly deleted my comments and unfriended/defriended her. I’m not proud of that act, but my reaction to disrespectful behavior is not my strong suit. Anyway, Kisha, I am sorry you had a bad experience in North America. We know better and you deserved better.

      • Lisa on 11/22/2011 at 1:37 am

        ooooh sam that was rude
        well forgive that girl she probably did not appreciate ur comment)
        personally Im allways a little bit scared by comments on facebook page from men whom I dont know and who are much older then me
        I never respond so rude but it kind of creeps me out a little I dunno why
        I myself never dare leaving really big comments on private fotos of ppl that I dont know cause in Russia ppl kinda dont like it it seems as if uve been spying on them or smth
        I totally understandd and respect ppls privacy but I dont understand why they sometimes post really personal images on facebook at all
        I myself hardly post anything personal
        This girl was actin bitchy, probably because she did not expect such a large comment and was embarrassed
        sometimes girls act like bitches cause they are too shy
        Id never react this way and no normal person would but ppl can get nasty sometimes
        besides maybe u should not judge russian ppl based on internet and social networks
        dont expect 2 much from those sites who in my opinion are the disease of the 21 century
        they can be really helpfull for communication but also pull out the worst of some ppl
        I myself wanted to find a native speaker of english on facebook to learn some language but if I ever added an USA or british guy as a friend and told him that I wanted to learn his language he´d often freak out and think that I want to marry him and have a green card or whatever
        they even have a group on facebook called “russian women stop adding me”
        apparently girls can get punished for a little desire to get some male attention=))
        social networks often destroy ppls privacy and when one realises how much of his personal information is available TO EVERYONE one can freak out a little and be rude

        • sam ogilvie on 11/22/2011 at 5:31 am

          Hi Lisa,

          Thanks for your response. It was helpful. Actually, I have learned a great deal at that site, and have made my intentions perfectly clear in extended comments on my page. I am thankful for the friends I have made there. As I said, it is a standard practice for people of all ages to post photos, and solicit comments at VK. Friends of young girls frequently send me friend requests, and I am flattered and happily add them. I have never made any comment that could in any way be suggestive, and consider the whole process to be an educational endeavor. I might add that I have exchanged hundreds of messages, letters and phone calls with over three hundred people in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and other former republics and only a handful, and those were years ago, were of a romantic nature. I strive to treat people as individuals and work hard not to generalize. I am sorry if my comments suggested otherwise. I was simply angry at the treatment Kisha received from people who live in a country that I am very familiar with, and I shared some of my negative experiences with border guards/immigration officials as a way to commiserate.

          • sam ogilvie on 11/22/2011 at 6:45 am

            Lisa,

            I failed to say that the experience I shared at Vkontakte was one of just a very few bad exchanges or encounters. In sharing it, I think I was trying to convince myself, in a way, that Kisha’s experience was rare, but I have my doubts.

            I don’t share your view or the thoughts of my male friends about social sites. Not one of the men I see regularly or spend time with participates at Facebook, and certainly not Vk. They think such sites are ridiculous and foolish. Personally, I would rather exchange letters with some young Ukrainian or Russian kid that hopes to continue her medical education in the U.S. or, like yesterday, talk about graduate programs in journalism with a bright girl who works in television/journalism in St. Petersburg than watch another ballgame or sitcom on the tube(I don’t have a television, by the way). I enjoy comparing and contrasting cultures in my mind. The difficulty for me is trying to combat the human desire to generalize and to remain open-minded about people and places. I can’t tell you how much I have learned by studying photographs at VK. When young people travel, esp. in your region, they seem to take photographs every second or two, and I am a happy beneficiary of that practice. Early this morning, I took a walking tour of Tallin, thanks to the fine pictures of the young journalist. Occasionally, a breathtakingly beautiful girl named Olga will send me messages about her real estate endeavors in Chernigov. I’ve thrown and caught my share of balls in the day. For now, I am enjoying something a bit different.

            Write when you can, Lisa. Your experience is uniquely yours, and I am interested in your perceptions. Thanks again for your input.

      • Kisha on 11/22/2011 at 4:23 am

        They probably have their own reasons to interview people leaving the country. It was just that I could not see the logic in the officer question. Like “You were staying in {name of the hotel goes here} downtown?” – A huge idefication tag from their luggy room is still attached to my backpack. Well visible. or “It is very nice of your company to give you this wonderful opportuninty to visit Canada”.
        I travel a lot both with work and on my own, and I rarely encounter such openly hostile behaviour. Oh well. Doubt I will found myself there again so no bother.

        • sam ogilvie on 11/22/2011 at 5:50 am

          Hi Kisha,

          I admire your response and understand it completely. On the other hand, disrespectful, bad behavior like you encountered is a really big issue with me, and it is becoming bigger. As I have said many times, I grew up in a very warm, very hospitable, very friendly region known for gracious, mannerly people, so I have a particularly high intolerance for anything else. It’s considered barbaric now, but in my youth, if a child from a decent family dared to bully, mistreat, or show disrespect to anyone, much less an elder, he was severely punished. My dad was an open-minded, mature gentleman, but he demanded behavior becoming of a gentleman, and I am grateful for that now. We were taught to speak when spoken to, to compliment people sincerely when appropriate,to open doors for everyone, never to brag on ourselves or any family member, to eat what was set before us and to obey all laws, especially speed limits, and to do a job to the best of our abilities or not at all. Thankfully, several of the guys that I grew up with have carried on that tradition with their children, but it is a rare thing anymore, and it shows. You were a victim, Kisha, of our current sorry system, and it is regrettable. Unfortunately, our present plight here in North America and the trash we spread abroad can be traced directly to poor behavior, and, frankly, we deserve it.

    • Richard on 11/22/2011 at 4:57 pm

      Kisha,

      This is a point I have tried to make several times with my Canadian friends. They often act as if the US customs people are the only ones who use those same attitudes and tactics. Even as an American traveling frequently between the US and Canada, I am often hassled like a criminal. There are border patrol workers in my area who know my daughter and I by name, and we them, yet I still go through the third degree a lot.

      At the same time, one of the biggest narcotics busts in this region was the combined units of American and Canadian Coast Guard troops who had been doing “an excessive amount” of exchange programs for about a year and a half. They nearly always got waved through at the border until a dog went nuts one day and caught them with about a half million in drugs and cash. Just goes to show how “stupid people do stupid things” as I was always told.

      I’m sure sorry that you had such an experience up here in Vancouver. They are some of the worst customs/immigration agents that I’ve found in the last ten years while being up here so much. Toronto is a joke but Edmonton is harsher than Vancouver from what I’ve seen, but that is a constantly changing situation, which really makes very little sense.

      If you come back to this area be sure to let me know. It would be great to have a glass of wine, a cup of coffee or a meal with friends from this site.

      • Kisha on 11/23/2011 at 12:55 pm

        Hi Richard,
        Coast guards drug smuglers story is hilarious!
        Thanks for the invite, I will make sure to meet somewhere for a drink/meal if I go to BC again.

  16. Andy G on 01/12/2012 at 3:05 am

    I wonder how easy it is for FSU ladies find it to enter another country besides the USA, are there any others who could share their experiences?

    Over here in the UK, the government has stated that anyone entering the country needs to have a good knowledge of the English language in both written & spoken forms, a lot of FSU ladies would fail to get into this country, that said, there are plenty of non English speaking areas in this country so perhaps that’s not such a bad thing…

    • Kisha on 01/12/2012 at 4:24 am

      Andy,

      It is not difficult to enter a different country as a tourist or on business, provided you have a history of traveling, job that pays and something in your bank account. The UK is probably the most complicated in terms of application forms to fill an evidence to enclose.

      The test is only required for settlement. A fair do in my opinion as long as the person is expected to integrate into the society.
      If you are visiting knowledge of English wouldn’t be a problem as long as you are able to answer questions at immigration.

  17. Andy G on 01/12/2012 at 10:03 am

    I brought the subject up about being able to speak & understand the language as, when I look on various agency sites I notice that they mention the ability to speak various different languages, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarussian ladies don’t speak English in some cases at all, in others, they don’t speak the language very well. I agree with you Kisha that if these ladies are to integrate into society they will need to learn the language, as a visitor to their country, I am learning their language & hopefully I will be able to understand their written language enough that I will be able to get around.

    I have to say Kisha, you are a really good font of knowledge on many fronts, I like your constructive answers & the fact that you know what you are on about, you seem to have a fair bit of experience. Thank you

    • Kisha on 01/13/2012 at 4:46 am

      Andy,

      English knowledge may depend on the generation you are targeting, as 40+ women often have modest English skills due to the standards of education in 80s. It also depend on the region they come from, as generally you won’t find people speaking English in distant or rural areas.
      I’d advise you to go just with Russian to be able to communicate with Belarussians and Ukranians, otherwise you get confused in the 3 as they are quite simular. Would be the same as trying to learn Scot Gaelic, Welsh and Irish before traveling to British Isles. No one speaks Belarussian anyway.

      Thanks for complementing the constructivity of my answers, I was sure though that most English find it rude and annoying. I work with few English people and they always seem to be irritated by my emails. So I have to put up with lots beating about the bush in theirs.

      What can you do? =) Different cultures eh?

      • Andy G on 01/13/2012 at 5:13 am

        Hi Kisha,

        I know what you mean about British people in general, they don’t like the idea that they may be wrong or not have all the correct information, they think they know everything, not all of them, but the vast majority, I would rather learn from others’ experiences, I ask questions no matter how stupid they may sound, I don’t know everything, I don’t pretend to, as I say, not all British are the same, but there are quite a few….

        I am indeed learning Russian as everyone I know has said that Russian is the most commonly spoken & written language, anywhere in Ukraine, they speak Russian, well at least that is what I have been told by a few Ukrainians that I have spoken to, alike to what you have stated, the languages are very similar, so I think I will stick to learning the one language.

        Thanks again for your advice

      • Sam R. Ogilvie on 01/13/2012 at 10:31 am

        Hi, Kisha!

        I got a good laugh out of your experience with cultural differences, though it was at your expense, haha!

        As a young lad, I moved to work in Louisiana for a couple of years. Unfortunately, I had spent a few years in the “North” before the move, and had almost completely forgotten the Southern way of communicating and doing business. A respected technician with the medical instruments division of a large company called me to say that the “girls” at the service center he worked out of were completey digusted with me and absolutely hated to take my calls. My short calls and reports were deemed rude and uncaring, it seems. I rebounded quickly, to say the least, and resurrected my old North Carolina ways. I started each call by inquiring about how grandma’s third cousin once removed was doing with her skin rash, by discussing how awful the officiating was at the football game last Saturday, how darn good the fishing was on the Ouachita on Tuesday, and how outstanding Mrs. Osceola Perrywhittle’s potato salad was at Sunday’s covered dish supper. Yes, indeed, I was back in Rome and doing as the Romans do.

        More recently, I have been called “Hemingway” at the social site Vkontakte more than once in a week. Sadly, it is not because of my writing skills either. No, it seems my long-winded messages are a bit much for Russian, and Ukrainian sensibilities. I’m too old now to rebound, so I’ll just do the best I can and plod along. When you and your handsome husband visit, Kisha, I’m planning to keep it short, if I can!

        • Richard on 01/13/2012 at 2:00 pm

          Great little story, Sam. Entertaining as always, and once more, I can relate to your experiences. I don’t know about anyone else, but I really enjoy your writing skills.

          There must still be some chance that we were separated at birth, brother. The often long winded nature of my replies to other sites has clearly given me a reputation for rambling on at times. And in conversation, there are a few friends who put little qualifiers at the start of their questions, like, “Without going into great detail, what do you think about . . . ”

          Possibly we’ve been cursed (or better yet blessed) with a gift for sharing our thoughts more completely than the average person on the street. Well, all I can say is, “Cheers for that”.

          • Sam R. Ogilvie on 01/15/2012 at 10:17 am

            Thank you very much, Richard. I got a good laugh when I imagined your friends politely inserting qualifiers in questions they posed to you. It seems the best comedians seize common or familiar practices and experiences like that and run with them.
            I guess guys like you(and yours truly) are written off as hopelessly old-fashioned and
            irrelevant. That’s a shame because many of the things you talk about are essential for civility and a meaningful existence. Keep grinding, Brother, because somebody, somewhere might be listening.

        • Kisha on 01/14/2012 at 8:00 am

          Hi Sam,

          I am terrible like that!
          If anyone called me like that and complained about my phone inquiries or anything of that sort, I would spend next few days crying!

          I’m only like that with people I don’t know, so you don’t need to worry =)

          • Sam R. Ogilvie on 01/15/2012 at 10:03 am

            Thanks for your response, Kisha. I would hate to see you cry, but I appreciate your sensitivity. In my case, I am far too thin-skinned for a guy that loves to joke around as much as I do. It must be a genetic thing, because I can’t shake it for the life of me.
            That man that reminded me of my lack of sensitivity to cultural differences did me a big favor in the end. Since that time, I have strived to be more aware of the needs and desires of others, yet it continues to be difficult. With age, I have become much fonder of Southern(USA)ways, though I understand the impatience “outsiders” exhibit when dealing with us.

      • Richard on 01/13/2012 at 1:47 pm

        Kisha,

        It’s too bad that other English folks would be annoyed by your emails. Whether or not I might agree with you or others of your background and experience, I sure hope that any of my responses are not taken that way. I find your input quite valuable and I’m sure others would agree. Besides, I think that anyone who always finds your comments annoying is probably someone who doesn’t have an open mind to begin with.
        I’m happy that you continue to share your thoughts and feelings with us all.

        • Kisha on 01/14/2012 at 7:09 am

          Thanks Richard,

          I understand that coming from a different culture and having a different upbringing many people may find my manners (or the lack of them :p) annoying. Let’s put it this way, I am a bit straightforward and can’t stand small talk. These 2 things combined result in me getting lengthy emails this from old gentelman in Hampshire which I assume takes him ages to compose. I find the whole situation funny because the shorter is my request the longer the reply I get. It wouldn’t be for the length of email itself I susspected him doing it on purpose but copy pasting paragraphs is a bit odd.

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