One of my Russian Lady friends named Anna (who has her photo displayed here) currently lives and works in Berlin. We keep in touch frequently and she tells me that she really enjoys this site and had no idea I would actually do something like this.. so it’s been fun to surprise her.. and me too..
Gentlemen.. If you ever have the privlidge of meeting this beautiful woman you will not find a more funnier and charming girl on this planet. She has one of those lite happy auras that just envelops you and absolutely forces you to break out a huge grin no matter what kind of mood your in.. and once you start smiling you don’t even consciously know why you’re doing it..
She’s probably turning bright red right now reading this.. but it’s all TOTALLY true because if you ever look up the word Charisma in the dictionary you will see her name and picture.
Of course the only bummer about this whole deal is that she lives in Germany.. So only the German guys are lucky enough to get a glimpse of her.
Lucky Bastards.. 
One interesting thing I have to mention to you about her is the fact that she speaks Russian, German, Kazakh, and English Fluently.. And get this.. now she’s going to tackle Mandarin Chinese!
Damn girl! What are you trying to do? Put all of us poor guys to shame!? 
Anyways..
In her last email she told me that I had written so much about Russian Women already that she didn’t think that I would be able to write anymore. But then she read my Eating Rituals post and told me she laughed her butt off because she said it was so true but that she would never think to talk about any of this because she took it all for granted.
Well isn’t that the whole point as to why a guy like me should be telling the world about girls like you Anna? It’s because we TOTALLY notice these things.. and don’t normally see it where we are all from!
Well that certainly got me thinking about why I started this Blog in the first place.
It’s because most of the stuff I ever read about Russian women came from.. well.. Russian Women..
Now as good as that sounds on the surface it actually has it’s disadvantages for exactly the same reason that Anna just mentioned.. And I think you guys who are regular readers of my site totally understand this.
So other then just wanting to embarrass my good friend Anna in Berlin the only thing I really wanted to say is that if I wanted it to.. I could probably write about this subject forever. I don’t think there is a shortage of interesting things that I could point out to the rest of the world about Russian Women
And quite frankly once you guys have one in your life I don’t think you would either.
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Just when I think it’s not possible to be any more sold, you go and do it again. Keep up the fantastic work.
I’m in the process of completing a graduate degree. Should I wait to get moving until then, or is there anything I can do in the meantime? I’ve got about two years left.
Lots you can do actually.. send me an email when you get a chance to fill me in on your deal in life. and i’ll give you some personal feedback.
Thanks for the cheer Inkraven
GL
RW is right guys – once you have a Russian women in your life, you just want to tell the world! That’s why I’m so glad that he has created this blog. As a man who has been blessed enough to be loved by a Russian woman, I feel compelled and proud to affirm everything that you guys are reading here.
The same thing could be said for american women fed up with American men. They are running away with russian women but frankly, I am an american woman running away from American men.
They don’t know how to make a woman feel good in bed like foreign men. I feel sorry for these russian women stuck with you losers because these poor girls deserve something better than an arrogant ass who can’t perform sexually which is what she usually gets when she gets an American.
Gees… give me a foreign man ANYDAY
Hi Inkraven, looks like we’re in the same situation. I’m also in graduate school and will get an M.S. in Statistics in about 2 years. I’m hoping the degree will be valuable enough to get me a job anywhere in the world. If I may ask, what are you studying?
MFA in Creative Writing. I tend to lean more toward fiction than poetry, although I’ve had both published.
Fun fact of the day – in Latin, the word for poet is masculine, as are most words used to describe someone by their trade/profession. Even they understood that we men do most of the creating.
Kathleen thanks, you’re a shining example.
Don’t worry Kathleen, you won’t have to run away from American men. They are walking away from women who do nothing but villify, belittle, and do anything else they could to make men’s lives miserable. As you sow, so shall you reap. Don’t bother with insulting me, you are wasting your time because I will be laughing at you!
Taras
Feminists – spray painting turds gold since 1848.
Kathleen, when you’re so liberated and empowered that you’ll sleep with anything, it’s no wonder that sex with you is like tossing a hot dog down a hallway.
Kathleen Woolrich , you are a joke. Foreign men won’t want an American or western women like you anyway since you all have no family orientated skills or attributes.
I really question the sanity of people who do what Kathleen does.. don’t they have someplace else to rant. In a way I’m grateful for the reminder of what we are up against and the validation they provide.
The funny thing here is that in none of the comments or posts was there anything related to running away to Russian women because they are better in bed. (but while were on the subject..;))
Kathleen has sexualized an issue that wasn’t sexualized to begin with. Guess what that normally means about what happened to her in her past gentleman.. I forgot to mention this as a red flag but it’s another big one aside from the contempt and tone she’s employed. I also noticed an obvious need for her to prove how “sexually empowered” she is.
Kathleen I hope you get some help and at some point are able to reclaim your childhood and your body.. In the meantime you would do best to not project an anger to us that you actually have within.. Good Luck..
GL
Kathleen,
My ex-girlfriend has called me a lot of names, but “lousy lover” isn’t one of them.
Notice how women like Kathleen can never critique in an intelligent way .. it’s always shaming language.
Get ready for the “you all have small d**ks
ploy next.
Be nice if they just argued in a manner that would encourage thoughtful debate.
But no.
Honestly I would LOVE for a women of Kathleen’s obvious quality and character to actually make a half-assed attempt at rational, logical thought…
The reality is foreign men are nicer. You all ran away from being decent to your next door neighbor to get a poor girl who doesn ‘t speak English much less like you…I know these girls in Orlando. They are all at the lebanese club on Sat night with their Moroccan boyfriends ( who are married for papers too) while their greencards are at home. WAKE UP
The sad thing is that I think about 20 percent are happy with their Americans. The others are just clocking time till they are free. Unless you are close in age and reasonably attractive, you cannot possibly believe these girls LOVE you.
The reality is as many American women are finding who marry foreign men also, that unless papers arent an issue, you have to be ready to face the fact you just might get dumped when your girl gets her papers. Judging from the number of hookers in UAE, all RUSSIAN…marrying an American seems like a great alternative to black market sex with some 55 year old Saudi. I don’t blame you for seeking out a woman who cannot share ideas with you much less talk to you or know who you are. Frankly, from what I have seen, Russian women are a blessing to us because they marry alot of the men who haven’t been able to find someone. I just want you as American men, and take it from me who has travelled all over the world and lived alot of places to do a couple of things.
1. Get a prenup
2. Emotionally brace yourself for the divorce
3. If it doesn’t happen. GO BE HAPPY.
I know these girls on a personal level and they tell me stuff they would never tell you. Most are very very very unhappy, reality check guys. And I know many who are in love affairs with Moroccan men in Orlando. Its sad for both I think. How horrible is it to sell yourself for a greencard?
Kathleen,
It’s late so I need to keep this short and I will address more of this later.. but to start with..
What is your agenda?
Your opening comments to us about a week ago is as follows..
Kathleen Says:
“The same thing could be said for american women fed up with American men. They are running away with russian women but frankly, I am an american woman running away from American men.
They don’t know how to make a woman feel good in bed like foreign men. I feel sorry for these russian women stuck with you losers because these poor girls deserve something better than an arrogant ass who can’t perform sexually which is what she usually gets when she gets an American.
Gees… give me a foreign man ANYDAY”
So now Kathleen you want to imply to us about how much of a “favor” you are doing us by generalizing that the vast majority of Russian Women who are looking for loving husbands are greedy and manipulative greed card hounds?
What gives?
Quite frankly Kathleen.. your credibility given your opening statement is just shot to hell.
Also another thing I’ve noticed which I find to be very unusual is your fixation on Sexualizing this discussion..
You seem to know alot about what Hookers are up to and have some direct communication or affiliation with them..
You’ve also mentioned that you’ve travelled around the world.
Who’s dime did you travel on.. And what were the terms of that deal?
Also you seem to have a significant amount of experience with having sex with foreign men since you seem to be more satisfied with them sexually as you say then with American men..
Now because of this if you have some fixation for hanging out with FSU Hookers then I can easily see why you see how most of them are unhappy.
But let’s ignore the hookers for a secod.. My instincts tell me that something strange is up with you personally along with your mysterious agenda.
Give me some sleep and I’m sure I can figure it out in the morning.
Actually no. I just want you to take a good hard look at the reality. Women are WOMEN. Whether they are Russian, American or from any other country. What any American needs to remember is this.. for many backwards countries we are a meal ticket…a greencard. I personally think there is nothing wrong with marrying someone from another country but you don’t have to bash all American women to justify marrying a russian. I wrote what I wrote to provoke. The reality is ..there are many wonderful women from the FSU and I am sure many of them make great wives but for every marriage that works, there are some russians that really hurt these American men.
My advice to any man marrying a girl from there
1. Keep a good relationship with your american children from your previous relationship. This girl will be their step mother. Keep them first. This is the same advice if you marry an American.
2. Get a pre nup and make sure its signed and translated in Russian. If you have assets, she has the rights to them in certain states.
3.If all is right in the world , go be happy.
I did have an agenda. I just wanted to rile all you guys up. Foreign men or women are not the answer for Americans to find love and happiness. Loving an idividual based on common interests should be the goal. Wanting to marry a girl from the FSU should be a choice not a last resort. These poor girls are scared and some of them have no other recourse. Yes, I meet hookers from the FSU all the time. They flood the discos and they typically refuse to take menial jobs, preferring stripping and hooking because of the fast cash. This is no reflection on them. This is a reflection on the russian mob that brings them here. Of course the girls that are married don’t do this but alot of them do cheat on their American husbands with men their own age. Do you blame them? With any huge diverse age range, a girl is going to want a man her own age. Can you blame her?
I am glad these girls get the chance to leave whereever they are. I have had friends of mine ( AMERICAN…) get really hurt by some of these girls and its not just russian that do it… its just the men have been doing it for alot longer so American society is very ill prepared for the reverse…women using men. I truly am kidding about all the women being bad… There are many very nice ones… I just don’t like to hear people making a choice based on bashing women that they grew up with. Yes, American women can be a pain. But so can Russian.. We are all DIFFERENT types of pains. I am not materialistic so I cannot really judge other American women or what they do. Many American women will reject a perfectly good American man … this is where I think the good things about the russian wife concept steps in.
I sexualised it becaue I knew it would infuriate you. This whole thing as far as shopping for women.. in ANY foreign country is a concept based on looks. I truly believe that russian women to a great extent ARE MORE BEAUTIFUL than many American women. Are they brighter or more lively conversationlists? I have not found that to be true. I have found many of them to just look truly sad. Many are carrying entire families on the hope that they will make it in America. This American man is her ticket to a life out of poverty. Which is fine if the man is happy and she is good to him. What concerns me is the fact that some of my American brothers will get hurt by them. I just urge adeqate financial caution and for the men to make sure that they are good dads to their other children that perhaps they have left behind in ex marriages. I think any time love can prevail, it should. I think marriages that are based on mutual attraction and the age disparity isn’t so big are bound to work. I think if you are an abusive mysogynistic cad. spare the russians /…please. I just feel sorry for some of these girl children that I see out at night…longing for someone to talk to. Sometimes they have russian dance nights at some of the places I go and its fun to see the girls dance with each other and I often talk to them. Their biggest complaint is that they miss their families and there are some men that just treat them so badly that they would rather be anywhere but married.
I was in UAE in 2004 and the place is crawling with girl from 18 to 25 having to have sex to support themselves. Its truly the saddest thing I have ever seen.. these pretty russian girls forced into it. Google dubai and abu dhabi russian prostitutes and you can read more about it. I certainly would rather see these girls married to westerners than having to do what they have to do. It is tragic. I am sure that someone if they wanted to meet a beauty could by pass all these tours and just go to DUBAI. He would find a wife in 5 minutes..
Hey I am sorry if my wise cracks upset you guys. I am really kidding…. American men are great… Ones who bash American women are not
Love ya
Hi Kathleen,
Thank you for your candor and balance. I think you’ve visited this blog long enough to understand that the last thing any of us wants is to encourage dysfunctional relationships between Russian Women and Western Men. Of course the pitfalls exist but so do the rewards and you can’t have one without the other as you know.
I am truly sorry that there are many Russian women who were co-erced into being hookers in Dubai. I hope they find a way out and happiness. This site has never encouraged any interactions between Men and Women on that level and I think you know that.
This site recognizes the REAL potential for stable deep and lasting love between the two.. otherwise why would I choose to devote this much time and energy to it? The guys who want hookers know where to go on google to find them and I have no power or intent to alter their choices because it would be an exercise in futility.
What I can do is to promote the best aspects of both sides and to do what is possible to bring them together. And I hope you would encourage the same..
Thanks again for your comment.. GL
PS.. no need to try to rile us next time.. we can handle whatever issue you bring forth and you know the best way to do it too.
I am not interested in bashing American women at all. I love them, but what I really despise so much is the superficial and materialistic American culture and anti-male agenda propagated by Feminism that diffuse to every level in the western society. It is so sad that majority of American girls are blindly walking down to that destructive path. They are not aware of what’s really going on in this society.
I am fully aware of the greencard scam. The source of this problem is the legal system of the US government. Good and decent straight men are the prime targets of our US government. The US government encourages foreign women like Russian women to set up bear traps to fool their boyfriend or husband, lie to police and file false domestic abuses or false police report. It’s just one of tactics orchestrated by the US government and feminists to marginalize or phase out real and decent straight men from the US society by putting them in jail.
American power that be are a bunch of egotistical, power-hungry and money-hungry sadists and satanists who just want to create a one-world totaliterian government. They view real, decent and Godly straight men as a huge impedance and threat to their plan to create a one-world government. That’s why they are promoting feminism as a weapon attacking good men and good women.
How many American men do you know are being destroyed financially and emotionally by their American women? It’s the women who bought all of lies created by feminism and questionable legal advices given by greedy lawyers for more money.
We know that appearance of women is just the book cover of who she is as in person. I am not interested in just looks. However, Look and beauty is one factor in selecting a great wife. What the most important to me is her moral character, her philosophy of life, things in common with, her lifestyle and her beautiful appearance. I would rather to have kids with a beautiful wife over ugly wife. Sorry, like it or not, it’s the reality. Men would always pick beauitiful girls with great attitude over ugly girls with foul attitude.
If I don’t find a girl who meets my criteria for a great wife, I would rather to stay single and childless than marrying those manly, selfish and materialistic western women.
I concur with Quiet Rebel. I’ve had no luck with the opposite sex here, and I’ve decided that I will remain single, and childless before I marry another American woman who will mistreat me. I’m tired of being treated as if I’m the enemy, because I am not. I just want a measure of peace in my life, and if I have to avoid marriage here in the U.S. to achieve it, than so be it. I am 40 and I see many men my age who have aged far beyond their years because of the miserable marriages they are in. My own ex-wife drove me to walk out on her, I have a problem with my blood pressure because of her. Marriage used to be a source of peace for men and women alike, but now it’s a battle ground because our government mas made men and women enemies. People cannot live in constant conflict without suffering heart attacks, strokes, and other fatal health problems. I will not have any part of that. If I meet an American woman worth marrying, great, but I am prepared to look outside of my country and my race too to find one. If American women feel threatened by that, then they’d better wake up and realize they have to change, and change for the better quick.
Taras
Indeed gentlemen…
I’m very excited that you have chosen to look for love in better places. This is clearly the way to go.
I of course wish you the best in your quest…
Persistence and determination will pay off.
I still find it rather amusing how American women get so bent out of shape when we call their attention to our enlightenment. It seems to stem from an enormous amount of insecurity. Rather than to acknowledge the validity of our discussions, they prefer to instigate and provoke.
It reminds me of when we use to pick teams for basketball back in the day – no one ever wanted the ball hog on their team because, well, they would never pass the ball. Inevitably the ball hogs would get upset because they were being rejected for better players – rather – team players. Of course they would resort to name calling and taunting until no one even wanted them in the game.
It never seemed to cross their minds that if they would just be cool and get along with the rest of the kids – we could all have fun together.
Gents, I think it is clear that we have found a playground where the sun never goes down, mom never calls you in for dinner, and the water fountains are crisp and cool.
I think the ridiculous comments posted by some of the women who visit this site are more than telling of their mental states… like I keep saying: These women are someone else’s problems.
Hi You Guys
I am sorry you had a run of bad luck with American women. There are alot of good women out there ( I met this beautiful pharmacy rep who was 39 yesterday who is adopting because her long time boyfriend wouldn’t give her a baby and left her for someone younger)
Making this about American or Russian is wrong. Women are women and chemistry is chemistry. Personally, I think ANY immigrant is welcome to this country and love can blossom after bad things, no matter how horrific.
But its not fair to your sisters and mothers to say all American women are bad. We bore you. We wait on you at the grocery store. We have helped build this country and to dismiss us all as horrible and not lovable is basically slitting the necks of your neighbors and all the girls you grew up with. We are your American sisters and I wish you so much love and luck as you search for love beyond our borders. You don’t need to bash American women to build up russian ones. We each have our qualities. Yes, I have known some materialistic nasty women. But I have known some incredible gracious loving women as well. Good luck in your search
I leave this board with this.
leave the best behind you in the US or over there….
leave the best behind
I know you don’t see something in her that you can love
but leave the best behind
don’t break her heart beyond recognition
because the sun and the moon may set in her eyes for another
leave the best behind
leave her gently and look for gifts she could have given you
and preserve what is left of her feelings
and leave the best behind
she wasn’t your style fair prince
a little too fat or odd or broken
but a broken soul might look for her and then
the best you left behind may be all he dreams of
or wants
So fair prince
As you fish for women in the great oceans of this life
let the fish return to the ocean with their mouths intact
and the girls to their future with their heads held high
tell them you are not the knight she seeks
but don’t leave her outside the castle
open the door and tell her this life
is a marvelous fortress with room upon room
and treasures that await her every turn
and remember every woman you meet
was at one time a little girl with dolls and dreams
and as you touch the souls of women
leave the best behind
leave behind self worth and dignity
kindness and respect
so she doesn’t hate men based on what you did to her
but looks for the prince who didn’t feel the need
to leave her side
and came back to her
and held her tight
and didn’t leave the best thing that he ever could have known or loved
and he had the vision
to adore and respect her
because
you left the best behind
Will I love your basketball analogy.. It fits so well!
Keep it up big guy..
Chemistry is only part of the equation Kathleen. It brings people together, but it fades over times, and either a deeper bond develops or they drift apart. Some of us, for whatever reason, just don’t have chemistry appealing to members of the opposite sex wherever he, or she may be. The biggest reason why I and other men feel the way we do goes beyond chemistry, it’s very much a cultural, or lack thereof problem. We’re facing a hostile or otherwise ill-suited audience for us. It’s all about the venue, if one isn’t working for you, then try another. It’s putting the Ukrainian proverb, “When life hands you a lemon, make lemonade,” into practice rather than crying sour grapes. There’s no way to force people who couldn’t care less about each other or are incompatible with one another to be together. It’s just not going to work, and a lot of suffering results. I just cannot stand most American women I meet, I’m trying my luck elsewhere. I have Russian and Ukrainian blood and I have relatives in Russia and Ukraine right now. Those facts makes going there an option I should look into. I know full well there are good and bad elements in any society, but I think for some going outside the box is the only viable option. Your ancestors did when they came here, and I merely want to do the same thing.
Taras
I am not saying I really blame you.. If I was an american guy and I had women falling all over men ( even though I wasnt that good looking) I would go over there too. I think alot of men are hard on women anyway. Look at rw with his basketball analogy. In the end, many men just reduce women to what they look like.. character and life experience thrown out the window. Women can make 2 choices.. become bitter about the loss of beauty and competition ( which honestly these russian girls are.. most americans havent figured it out yet… its clear to me) or develop skills and things that make them stand apart from other women. Only time will tell..give it ten years whether this will work for the benefit of American men.. If in 10 years there are tons of russian women married to americans and they are all still married.. the women sticking by their side and not using them for papers.. then its all good…In foreign countries, if a womans looks are gone or she is older, she is a non entity.. That is the harsh reality of being a woman in Russia. I went to Russia in 1984 and even then, I found russian women ( except the ones cleaning the rooms) to be very pulled together and very pretty.. I also perceived them to be quite bright.. But something has also come to my attention… many women from these countries are not very outspoken or creative.. there is a real lack of ability on their part to speak in an independent manner or create.. You see very very few modern russian woman authors or poets.. They seem to have no voice.. when you do get a latin american or russian female poet or writer,, its a rarity.. They have to preserve how they look because it is their only tradable commondity. Their intelligence is not interesting to men.. I rarely see a man talking about how BRILLIANT one of the women are..just how they look.. I truly understand why an American man would want to marry one.. especially if American women are unkind to him or wont give him the time of day and then he go over there and get worshipped? I say go for it.. Women have always been valued for their youth and looks and once those 2 things are gone.. many men see them as worthless and unneeded. A cruel fact of life but reality none the less..
Nice talking to you guys again… I ll let you know about more of my adventures lately.. I am going to UK in a month and maybe I will see some cool things..
CIAO CIAO
And I thought De Nile (denial for Kathleen),was this river in Egypt. Go figure, eh?
Canajun
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I noticed Kathleen did make one good point why American women seem to suck so bad at relationships. “Common goals and interests”. Nice point. That is what is missing so much. Her goal is dominance and selfishness rather than family and future.
With the type of attitude she obviously has towards her life and foreign men, it would also go that her other suggestions are loaded with the same malice and hate speach she has for men in general.
Just a thought.
Canajun
I’ve been reading this thread and was interested to see the the recurring ideas that:
1) Russian people are poor and need to get out of Russia.
2) Russian women only hang around long enough to get a green card / residence / naturalization (or whatever it is in your particular country).
3) Russian women have low moral standards.
I am sure there are plenty of exceptions (not that I have met any), but I know a number of Russian women who married and settled in different countries (U.K, Italy, France, Germany, Australia, U.S.) and therfore can give some opinion on this.
In order:
1) Russia is not poor. Not any more. In fact its heading in quite the other direction (it has most of Europe’s Oil for a start). Some of the Russians I know have the latest phones/gadgets, quality cosmetics, fancy cars (in one case an Audi Q7!). The main complaint Russian women have about their homeland is the lack of candidate partners. It’s that simple. Numbers. Population statistics will back this up (This is NOT helped by the fact that nearly all young males are automatically conscripted for a mandatory period in the armed forces, which can mean Chechnya – Russia’s approximate equivalent of Vietnam). It is also no secret that Russian men are quite spoiled because of the abundance of single women, and many have had several marriages at a young age. A single Russian woman who has a child from such a marriage already finds it even _more_ difficult to find a partner. This is just a plain fact of life in that country. This is a big incentive to look abroad.
To add to this, my own wife misses her country and visits her family and friends there (sometimes with me) quite regularly. She is _not_ desperate to escape from Russia! It is her home.
Secondly, all of the girls I know (mainly through my wife) did get their residence status, and remained with their man of choice afterwards (which includes me). Some have children already. Some are planning to move elsewhere in Europe, together. I don’t see any signs of any of them disappearing suddenly. None of them have divorced yet or show any signs of it. The girls haven’t changed character and turned into lunatics since becoming nationals of their new country. They are normal people who want a good life.
Thirdly, as for moral standards – well. Let me tell you that compared to what I have seen in my own city’s bars & clubs on a friday night, I would not even begin to compare moral standards with Russian women. I wouldn’t even know where to begin on that topic. And I can qualify that because I have visited bars/clubs in Russia also.
Anyway, anyone who spends time with real Russian people will figure this out in time. The rest is just opinion, and not worth anything.
>I’ve been reading this thread and was interested to see the the recurring ideas that..
This strikes me as one part reading something that isn’t there, and one part looking for an argument that isn’t there.
Craig,
I reacted mainly to points such as 15 “to get a poor girl who doesn ‘t speak English much less like you…I know these girls in Orlando. They are all at the lebanese club on Sat night with their Moroccan boyfriends”, 16 “you cannot possibly believe these girls LOVE you.” and 18 “ticket to a life out of poverty” among others.
I am not looking for a non-existent argument, but found these points cliched and irritating. As I said, I’m understand there are exceptions but it just doesn’t match my experience.
I would add that, since 1984, there appeared HUNDREDS of creative women in Russia and Ukraine. Leaving aside painters and sculptors (emotional creativity, however valuable), singers and actresses (some – great personalities, some – low-wits-and-morals “products”), one can watch the local writership gaining a female face. You can find whomever:
- journalists (all topics, including business / politics / other “male” issues);
- fine prose writers (artsy, wise, catharsical, pungent);
- pulp fiction writers (well it’s not so easy to make an interesting detective or an insight into some walk of life);
- “how-to” writers (all issues);
- scholars, therapists, lawyers equally talented in their professions and in writing books (from professional manuals and self-help to cultural eye-openers)…
here I’ll mention that most lecturers in higher educational institutions are women, and they just can’t have their contracts prolonged without producing quality bibliography…
- serious (however often kind and ironical) prose writers, some of whom win international awards!
etc., etc., etc.
Some of them were married to foreigners, but felt that “East or West, home is best”!
Half online-dating Russian male personal ads cry out for “INTELLIGENT” women. Yet a great mass of Russian men shun such, for sheer prejudice.
On the Web, there’s a tremendous amount of well-educated, linguistical, brainsy AND femininely kind beauties, who would like to be a great man’s Personal Geisha & Vizier (stop and investigate what functions have geishas had in Japan, unless you knew!), as well as to have some creative occupation (for enjoyment and personal money), which could be a profession they’ve enjoyed, or an absolute shiftaside they’ve always dreamt about, or had as a hobby.
They Feel Their Neighborhood Just Can’t Hold What They Have To Offer…
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia,
daughter of the author of “Modern World History” textbook for University students (2006) apart from several advise books,
and author of children’s encyclopaedia “All About Cats” (1992)
visitor – But those are all comments by one poster, a bitter snarky feminist. Not a recurring theme by any means. It’s her way to attempt to demean both the men on this blog and her “sisters” abroad.
It’s interesting to see how much contempt these American women have for foreign women, as embodied in things like IMBRA. (Oh, those poor ignorant backward weak creatures. They can’t think for themselves or make their own decisions. Therefore they need our enlightened benevolence to protect them.)
Craig, you are right. I hit the keyboard just a bit too fast there.
Friday, July 25, 2003. Page 3.
Court Convicts 4 in Australian’s Murder
By Robin Munro
Staff Writer
A Moscow region court has convicted two men and two woman for the murder of an Australian national whose bound and gagged body was found at a hotel near Sheremetyevo Airport in October.
The Khimki court on Wednesday sentenced Georgian natives Gia Kukhalashvili, 39, and Otari Khoneridze, 30, each to 13 years in prison for organizing and carrying out the murder of Peter Hughes. The 55-year-old former Catholic school principal was visiting his Russian fiancee, whom he met over the Internet.
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Kathleen,
What exactly is your point?
I think her point is: Russians bad. Internet bad. You guys – BAD! Hey, if a 3 1/2 year old news story says it, it must be true.
This just in: Man has heart attack while drinking milk. Milk BAD!
Kathleen must think a man won’t risk the same fate here in the U.S., but she’s wrong. Dead wrong. When the ex-wives and the courts drive men to commit suicide, THEY are just as responsible as the four convicted in that Russian court for murdering an Aussie man.
Taras
I believe that story is not even real.
Try finding evidence of it.
So yes, what IS the point?
OK, – it’s on the Moscow Times website.
It was very difficult to find, and it still seems very odd to me, that it never made news in Australia, or anywhere else.
I cannot see any reference to it anywhere else.
Very strange…
Why did the Moscow Times think that it was necessary to point out that the Aussie was there to meet his fiancee and that he met her on the internet? Is the Moscow times opposed to foreign men seeking Russian brides? Are they trying to scare men away?
Maybe this is what kathleen wishes for us…
You know what I noticed, Gentlemen…
A long-term recent increase in bad news across the Former Soviet press and talk shows. Which portray Brides International as pathetic victims of their own short-sightedness.
Behind these stories, there stands a clear message of public concern about Genetic Fund Drain, and local menhood’s offense for being slapped across the face with every foreign marriage.
And I wish I had the right to say these thousands of “horror stories” for both parties are sheer propaganda. If they weren’t all REAL!
It’s a VERY diverse land, Gentlemen. On my blog, I once visualized its reference system as similar to the Orthodox cross: at least 2 axes of criteria, extremes at the ends, degrees along each axis, multitude between them, and each end ramified into a new little cross.
I believe that “parallel” realities exist in terms of people that mix in them.
You just need to pick a “right reality”. Good news: birds of feather flock together…
Sincerely, N.
I haven’t heard that exact Aussie murder story (well, being not a big fan of criminal chronicles), but a Russian bride murder story rattled thunders all across the Runet.
By Onell R. Soto
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
June 23, 2004
A San Bernardino County man was sentenced to five years in federal prison yesterday for cheating men out of more than $1 million in a Russian bride scam.
The sentence was imposed from an April plea bargain in which Robert McCoy, 40, of Rancho Cucamonga admitted defrauding more than 250 men and agreed to pay back his victims $737,521. Prosecutors dropped other charges.
Investigators positively identified 352 victims, but there may be more, said San Diego-based federal prosecutor Richard Cheng.
Anna Grountovaia, 32, McCoy’s wife and the mother of his 2-year-old daughter, was sentenced to three years probation after having served 11 months in jail.
Grountovaia, a Russian who met McCoy through the Internet before moving into his home, said she posed as a prospective bride in telephone calls with some of the victims, including several San Diego men. She pleaded guilty to fraud and may be deported.
She met him after the scam was already under way and didn’t play a big part in the scam, filling in when he needed a woman with a Russian accent, her lawyer said.
Most of the victims spoke with women in Russia, lawyer Timothy Scott said in court papers.
McCoy is a drug-addicted felon who sports gang tattoos and has earlier convictions on assault, kidnapping and weapons charges, according to court papers.
In court filings, prosecutor Cheng detailed the scheme this way:
McCoy met his victims through personal ads he placed or answered on Web sites including America Online and Match.com.
In each case, he wrote e-mails posing as a Russian woman seeking love and sent pictures of a pretty model.
Eventually, a visit would be arranged, and the victim was told a Russian dating service needed about $1,800 to pay for a visa and plane tickets.
On the day the victim was expecting the woman to arrive, McCoy would write as an official from the fictitious dating service and said there was a problem: A new regulation required the woman to carry $1,500 cash to enter the United States.
The service would lend her $500, but the victim needed to wire an additional $1,000.
The men learned they were taken days later, when their e-mails were ignored or bounced back because the accounts were closed.
The FBI began investigating the scam after a Baltimore man told a London newspaper about the scheme.
McCoy regrets what he did and plans to use his prison time to get off drugs, said his lawyer, Arthur Greenspan, who blamed the drug addiction as a big reason for McCoy’s behavior.
A Web site on Russian scams tells prospective suitors to beware any woman who asks for money after an online meeting.
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Onell Soto: (619) 293-1280; onell.soto@uniontrib.com
May 2006
As Gary Oldenkamp tells the story of being caught in a scam to bring a Russian woman to this country, he reveals strong feelings of betrayal.“Not only was I taken advantage of by the woman I hoped to spend the rest of my life with, but local officials decided to take her side, even after I gave them proof of what was happening.”
Oldenkamp’s story of exploitation began innocently in 2002, when he decided to enroll in an online dating service.The Hull resident was 38 years-of-age at the time, divorced for one year and interested in dating again.He was contacted by a woman named Elana, who lived in Russia, was a year older than him, also divorced and she had a daughter.Elana worked as an English translator so language was not a barrier.
The two corresponded for six months by email and phone before Oldenkamp flew to Moscow to meet her.
“Initially, I wasn’t interested in meeting women from other counties,” said Oldenkamp.“But as the relationship progressed I began to think of all the advantages.There wouldn’t be an ex-husband around to deal with and no in-law problems.I thought it was a situation I could control.Plus, I believed that Russian women were soft, docile and calm.Boy was I wrong.”
According to the American University Trade and Environment database website, the majority of men who participate in services for Russian brides are white, educated, around 37 years old, and are ideologically conservative.These men are tired of ‘career-obsessed women’ and see Russian women as less materialistic and more appreciative of men.Russian women are seen as more feminine and more traditional.
Oldenkamp spent a week in Moscow in January 2003, and before he left, asked Elana to marry him.
“She told me everything I wanted to hear.She was very charming, soft and pretty,” he said.“Spending time with her was fun, much better than the usual dating.She was everything I was looking for.And her daughter was very quiet and respectful.Looking back, she told me everything I wanted to hear.”
Oldenkamp returned to Hull and began working on the paperwork to bring Elana and her 13 year-old daughter, Sasha, to the United States.She finally arrived in Hull in March of 2004 with a six month visa.
They were married on March 20, 2004 in Oldenkamp’s home.Afterwards they traveled to Omaha so Elana and Sasha could begin the two-year process of getting a Green Card, or permanent residence in the United States.According to the U.S. Immigration Service, the process of completing and submitting a request for a Green Card through marriage to a U.S. citizen can be both costly and confusing.
But Elana had a back-up plan.
“The first six months of the marriage went pretty well,” said Oldenkamp.“We agreed that she should take a year to settle in before she found a job.We disagreed when I wouldn’t hire a maid for her.”
But then the relationship started to fray a little.Elana had a car and a driver’s license but demanded that Oldenkamp come home from work each morning to drive Sasha to school, which was only a few blocks away.“Elana just didn’t want to get out of bed to do it,” he explained.
“She also wanted to take big trips and a huge allowance for clothes.”
The following March, when Elana had been in the country for one year, Oldenkamp reminded her of their agreement that she should find a job.While she refused to look for a job, instead she forgot Gary’s birthday and their first anniversary.“That hurt,” he recalled.
In June Elana got a job at the Marshall Field’s store in Sioux Falls, but soon was tired of the long drive and asked Oldenkamp to pay for an apartment in Sioux Falls so she could live there during the week.
“I overlooked a lot during the first year,” he recalled.“But by then she had dropped the act of being the loving wife and I realized she had told me a lot of lies.She only wanted someone who could give her unlimited amounts of money.”
“I realized I’d made a big mistake and was already thinking about ending the marriage.”
The couple’s arguments about money continued throughout the summer.
On September 14, she again demanded an apartment in Sioux Falls and Oldenkamp told her to move, but he wasn’t going to help her.She claimed that he had promised her more money, and in a rage jumped on him and tried choking him.“She wasn’t really hurting me,” he said.But she was out of control, and my son from my first marriage was staying with me that evening and I was concerned for him.I tried to call 911, but she started hitting the phone out of my hands, kicking and scratching me.”
Oldenkamp and his son finally got outside to the car, locked the doors and called for help.
“Then Elana came running outside screaming, help me,” he recalled.“I thought it was some kind of a joke, so I rolled down the window and told her she’d get more attention if she ran over to the Casey’s Store.And that’s what she did.”
A Sioux County deputy first responded to Oldenkamp’s home and as he was talking to Gary, the deputy got a call about a woman calling for help from Casey’s.
And then Oldenkamp’s nightmare began.Elana claimed that he had abused her.She had scratches on her neck, which he found out later Sasha had inflicted, so her mother would be ‘more believable’.
Oldenkamp and Elana both made statements to Deputy Oostra, but Elana didn’t mention any choking incident in her statement.Later Oldenkamp was charged with choking Elana and Oldenkamp was sure the deputy prompted her to make that accusation.
“I thought it was so obvious that she was making the whole thing up,” stated Oldenkamp.“Why would I call for help if I was abusing her?But the deputy said someone had to be arrested, so I spent the night in jail.”
“To understand this incident you have to know about the Violence Against Women Act of 1996,” said Oldenkamp.“There is a little piece in it that states if an immigrant is abused by her husband or other family member, and can prove the abuse, then they become admitted for permanent residence.Elana was going to get her green card with or without me.”
Elana was taken to the Family Crisis Center and two days later she was taken to Des Moines to stay with a cousin, Alex, also a Russian immigrant.
Two months later, Oldenkamp received a surprise call from Alex, who wanted to help him.
“Soon after arriving in Des Moines, Elana proudly confessed how easily she had convinced everyone of the abuse,” said Oldenkamp.“By this time she’d contacted the Iowa Coalition against sexual assault and abuse and claimed that he’d sexually abused her and verbally sexually abused Sasha.Her plan was to sue me for a large monetary settlement.Plus if she could get me on the assault charges, her green card was guaranteed.”
The cousin also explained that Elana was looking for a rich, lavish lifestyle in the United States, but living in Hull with Gary wasn’t what she hoped for.
Fortunately for Oldenkamp, Alex was having the same problems with Elana and Sasha.They wanted to be pampered but didn’t want to contribute anything to the household.
According to Oldenkamp, Alex obtained a court order to kick Elana out of her home.Now she wanted to tell the truth about Elana.
Back in Sioux County, Oldenkamp had been charged with serious sexual assault, which is a felony.
But he and his lawyer began building the case of Elana’s deception.
Alex also told Oldenkamp that Elana had left her diary in Hull and he needed to find it.The diary was written in Russian, which Oldenkamp had translated and described her plans to deceive him by any means possible to find the wealthy lifestyle she was looking for.
His trial was set for May 9, 2006.“County Attorney Melissa O’Rourke told my lawyer that she set the date so far into the future because she hoped by then Elana would be on a plane back to Russia,” said Oldenkamp.“We showed her the evidence and I think she knew this charge had no merit but she didn’t want to back down.”
Last January, Oldenkamp’s lawyer was offered a plea bargain from Sioux County.“They would drop the charge of abuse to a simple misdemeanor,” he said.“But I would still be saying I was guilty of abusing her, which was a lie.Plus, Elana would still get her green card and I’d have to spend six months in anger management classes.That really made me angry.”
“I think O’Rourke just wanted to look good to the voters in an election year,” he added.“My lawyer and I were certain we had enough evidence to win the case, so I turned down the plea bargain.I started thinking maybe the state should prosecute O’Rourke.”
Coincidentally, Fox News was doing stories on immigrant bride scams near the time of Oldenkamp’s trial.He discovered a support group of men who’d gone through the same problems with their Russian brides.Someone from that network gave his name to Fox News and they contacted him about covering his abuse trial.
Oldenkamp advised Fox News to contact the county about coverage.“The very next day my lawyer got a call from the attorney’s office saying they’d reduced the charge to interruption of a 911 call,” said Oldenkamp.“They just wanted to get rid of this case.”
His lawyer explained that the charge was similar to a speeding ticket; Oldenkamp wouldn’t have to take anger management classes and Elana would not receive her green card.He advised Oldenkamp to plead guilty to the charge.
So, two weeks ago he walked into the Sioux County courtroom and plead guilty.
“It was a lie,” he stated.“I didn’t interrupt any 911 call, but this whole incident has been about lies.“It started with a lie, was perpetuated by lies and ended with me telling a lie to make it go away.”
“I don’t feel like this county is my friend anymore.The sheriff’s department didn’t believe me.The Family Crisis Center wouldn’t even look at evidence of the scam and the county attorney’s office just played politics,” said Oldenkamp.“I’ve lived here my whole life, I go to work at a legitimate business, pay taxes and contribute to local causes.I keep wondering why they would treat me this way.”
He said Elana is still in Des Moines trying to get her green card.“As far as Elana is concerned, I feel like a gullible, stupid sap.But I’d never hurt anyone.I do plan to submit evidence to the authorities to keep Elana from staying in the U.S. though.”
The couple was divorced earlier this year.
Oldenkamp shakes his head in disbelief when telling his account.“You couldn’t write a soap opera this good.”
By Jeanne Visser
for Sioux County Index
It’s so nice to know that kathleen cares so much about our welfare and is looking out for us…
Hi Kathleen,
There are lots of positive comments out there on the web as well concerning these types of marriages.
Not just the horror stories which you have been concentrating on bring up to us.
I wonder if you would have the balance and integrity to bring up some of the good stories to our attention as well instead of just the newspaper selling tragedies that are probably more fit for the tabloids. GL
Re: Kathleen
We could all post links and “news” stories until the karovas come home, but there has to be a point to it.
It’s simply laughable for someone to say “but look at these stories!” like they are the undisputed common reality for every man who becomes involved in a relationship with a RW.
What’s the REAL reason for the campaign?
Laughable was the last story.
1) Cheap pay twice
2) The – DIARY! The Asinine Ears of the plot…
wow…
“American University Trade and Environment” ?? Now THAT sounds like an outfit uniquely qualified to study people’s dating habits.
Obviously the reason that Kathleen keeps giving us these extreme news stories is to scare us away from marrying Russian Women.
However, I am curious about a claim that Kathleen made earlier, i.e. that the same thing could be said for American women that are sick of American men, and thus American women are now beginning to move out of the country in significant numbers in order to marry foreign husbands.
Kathleen:
“The same thing could be said for american women fed up with American men. They are running away with russian women but frankly, I am an american woman running away from American men.
They don’t know how to make a woman feel good in bed like foreign men. I feel sorry for these russian women stuck with you losers because these poor girls deserve something better than an arrogant ass who can’t perform sexually which is what she usually gets when she gets an American.
Gees… give me a foreign man ANYDAY”
I am 90% sure that this claim is bogus because most American Women just sit and complain, but I still want to hear people’s evaluation of it for the sake of additional clarification.
–Luke Skywalker.
I was searching the web for something completely unrelated and stumbled upon this discussion… Fascinating
why are you guys so mad at Kathleen? Touched a sore spot, didn’t she? She really did not sound all that terribly unreasonable to me, although not 100% right either. And she really does not, at least not intentionally, belittle or willify anyone as some of you claim. There is a lot of truth in what she says, you just don’t want to listen.
The problem is that most of you people, Kathleen including, have no idea what life is like in Eastern Europe. I do, I live here. Not in Russia, though, but right next door.
I go out with my friends on weekends and i see lots of local girls with foreign men, mostly Brits here, but there is an occasional American as well. Fairly often there is quite an age difference, or the guy is just not very good looking
Well, about half of those couples are together because the girl is desperate in some way. She is not necessarily looking for money, it could be just a dream of that elusive “better life”, the wish to escape whatever situation she is in: perhaps material problems, perhaps a bad relationship with a local guy, who knows what. So she choses anyone who can offer that escape. There rarely is any deeper connection there; and how can there be, when she is not fluent in English, and the guy has no clue about the local language…
Sad, really. For you, men on this forum, I can say that very, very often it is not love from her side, far from it. Women here know how to manipulate men, it’s a survival skill, we all have to learn it if we don’t want to stay single. So she will tell you anything you want to hear, and only the most intelligent of you will realize that they are being had… But, hey, both sides get something in this bargain, and who am I to judge? I am just stating the facts from my own experience, gentlemen
As for Kathleen, you are deeply wrong when you claim that Russian women are not very intelligent and not very creative. I dare say that women here are often MORE intelligent than men, or certainly equal to them. Often they are also more intelligent than their foreign boyfriends, by the way
However, as you rightly pointed out, Kathleen, intelligence is not always a virtue in the dating game here, so we learn to hide it. That’s actually a sad thing, but I have seen it often, when my brilliant friends suddenly turn into dumb blondes in conversations with men. What you most likely experienced were language and cultural barriers. It’s not only American men who have no common frame of reference with these women — you don’t have it either, my dear, hence the lack of spark in your conversations with them.
There is one thing I truly agree with Kathleen — when you marry someone from a different culture, you MUST make sure that you both have a deeper connection than just admiration of her looks or his bank acount. If you have true love from both sides, you will overcome everything, otherwise sooner or later you will find yourself heartbroken.
Ah, and Kathleen, I know one American who was good in bed
As I am sure you very well know, nationality is not an issue in bed. In my opinion, it’s how selfish our partners are. And in that respect Americans seem ok, compared to locals here, believe me.
Well, enough moralizing, good luck to you all in your pursuit of happiness! Just remember — when dealing with this part of the world, nothing is quite as simple as it might seem
Hi Amber,
Thanks for the insight.. the only thing i’d add is this.. It doesn’t matter how you arrive at love as long as you get there. Saying that.. there is nothing wrong with girls who want a better life.. All girls do including you.. the bottom line is if there is maliciousness intent involved or not..
check out this link btw..
http://russianwomentruth.com/2006/12/10/the-secret-of-a-real-womans-inner-desire/
Other then that.. I dig your comment and insight and hope you become a regular here.
Cheers GL
Hi Amber,
“intelligence is not always a virtue in the dating game here, so we learn to hide it.”
That’s very interesting. I’m corresponding with a woman who becomes the “helpless female” from time to time. She asked me for advice on a minor problem with her son, saying, “I need your advice, what should I do, am I doing something wrong?” She is a psychology professor writing her doctoral dissertation, who has raised a smart and respectful boy by herself. So I know she’s not helpless all of a sudden. But I find it endearing. I also don’t think it’s just a reflexive “dumbing-down.” It’s part of a test: Will I take an interest in her son, will I step up to the plate and offer useful advice and insight, will I give HER support – when she really does need it.
“As for Kathleen, you are deeply wrong when you claim that Russian women are not very intelligent and not very creative.”
Well, to me that sounds kind of belittling on her part… No?
Amber,
What you said about intelligence has just sunk in with me, and a light went off in my head and illuminated a couple of mysteries.
So, question: Is there any way for a Russian woman to believe that a man is interested in her intellectual side and won’t reject her for it? Or is it just too deeply ingrained, that this is simply not possible on God’s green earth?
Anyone else want to weigh in? Anyone? Bueller?
I wouldn’t say I’ve really seen Russian women “dumb down” in front of men, but I’ve no doubt it happens with some. It is quite normal for them to want the man to take the leading role, so perhaps that could be seen as “quietening down” rather than “dumbing down”, although there could be a fine line there depending upon the individual people and situation.
Craig – I think you will see she could find it VERY attractive, especially as she is not accustomed to seeing that quality in a man. To her, that could very well be a “dream attribute”.
Your continued sincere interest and interaction will convince her you are “real”, and you will have that “deeper connection” that’s so important (I think all sides agree on that one!).
Russian women I know are highly educated and are proud of their academic achievments. Having said that, they don’t feel the need to “demonstrate” their knowledge all the time in a competitive sense either toward men or other women. They are more humble.
My last “Western” girlfriend would always be looking for the moment to tell me or others they were wrong, and that she was right and knew more about everything than anyone else. She would delight in the rare occassion she was actually right on anything, but just make a goose of herself on most other occassions. i.e. she’s not too bright at all. It was off-putting to say the least – always looking for arguments where none existed.
Applause to Amber, and some intellectualizmizations here ))
http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/these-strong-weak-russian-women/
Craig, it feels verry hard to check your wit. As if you had to live a-stooped, or cut off your limb. And we don’t like to nail good men at all! (Russian women the men-friendly nation))
Sometimes when a panache of mind bursts through, it’s painful funny to see a man abhorred. But when he keeps the ball flying and apparently enjoys the mental entertainment, wings grow behind her. And, it’s quite a relaxation when you turn a goose (which happens with the savviest women!) and can afford it, being even more enjoyed.) When you can be forgiven foolishness for intelligence and intelligence for foolishness. Well, it may be quite convenient to be a Wild Russian Woman! )))
I profoundly apologize for lazing off with a post about the Vital and Safe Utility of an Intelligent Russian Woman in a Household ), proven by biographies of Western writers, artists, diplomats, other great men inspired by Russian lovers, wives and mothers.
A little foolishness can indeed be a delight.
Overwhelming foolishness is an eternal lesson devoid of the sweet satisfaction of absorbtion through it’s intended target.
No goose ever really laid a golden egg.
You guys are big enough to make your own choices. Just be careful and if the girl ends up hurting you, just make sure you financially protected yourself from the very beginning with prenuptual agreements and did the very best you could to provide for kids from your previous marriages. I think that not all Russians should be painted with the same brush but nor should they be held up as better than women from other cultures. They have their fare share of con artists and bad women and just because someone looks like a good deal, it doesn’t mean they are. I don’t know I even got drug up into all of this posting. I think after seeing a couple of my male friends get taken advantage of with money, plane tickets…
Wanna know a secret? Someone in my immediate family was scammed by a russian girl 3 years ago and he never got over it. By best friend’s dad was scammed by one who made it here and then claimed domestic violence when he asked her to go back home and that he was not going to marry her because she had a another boyfriend. I saw friend after friend get victimised and that’s why I initially posted. I was terrified that this russian girl would hurt my emotionally vulnerable relative and she did, got money out of him and did all kinds of things to him. Thank God that did not last. I can only hope that if he ends up dating another one , he gets a sincere one who isn’t just using him for papers and money. I know there are some very good ones who are highly educated but the guys getting into these relationships should at least know the risks. Painting these girls as perfect is not fair to the American men and as Amber said, I think is just plain naive. Why the heck would a 20 year old want to be with a man in his mid 50′s? What happens to the man who has probably a whole career behind him and grown kids when he gets dumped? I feel really bad for these guys.. I am really just kidding about teasing you.. I would never want any of you to be hurt… I only wish your happiness.. Just be careful ok?
Ta ta
I am glad you liked my post, guys. Not sure why I even did it, it just seemed to me that Kathleen had a few good points which got lost because she delivered her message in a very emotional way. By the way, that’s a very feminine thing to do, a bit of a Mars / Venus miscommunication rather than American women/Russian women difference.
No, I did not feel belittled by what she said, just thought that she does not really know women here very well. I also think that an American man has most likely hurt her quite badly, so what she really needs now is love and understanding, not insults. Isn’t that what we all need?
With that I will leave you all, as I really was just passing by, so to speak. Kathleen, I hope my comments did not offend you, I wish you all the best, my American sister. In a strangely indirect way, I found myself on this forum because of your other postings on the net. But that’s another long story, perhaps best kept to myself…
I have an idea for a new kind of matchmaking service. A Russian woman could set herself up as a matchmaker, but she wouldn’t receive any payment until the wedding day, say around $10,000. The couple could agree to pay the matchmaker $5,000 on every wedding anniversary, as long they were still married. This way, the matchmaker would be motivated to find QUALITY partners for western men, and she would screen out all the bad women. What do you think, Natalia?
Kathleen,
Thanks for the honesty in terms of disclosing the motives behind your posts. Keep in mind that’s EXACTLY why I created this blog.
I wanted to improve the track record with quality information so that good and informed people can meet each other and find happiness.
For every horror story you’ve heard I’m willing to bet there are many more incredible love stories that you have never heard of..
I know they’re there..
And on some level I think you do too..
Amber.. I’d be sad to see you not visit us again and be a regular.. but oh well.. parting is such sweet sorrow..
Take care and Cheers and I hope you surprise us someday with your input again..
GL
Craig – I’ve just re-read my reply to you… oh my Russian English. )) “You” relates to a Russian woman (who suffers when she needs to suppress her mindwork).
Hero,
We’ve thought about that, brainstorming with my Ukrainian+American team, but… have you ever been in any intermediary business? At best, the parties only bother to say “thank you”. At worst, they say “it didn’t work”, give you a hard time, and strike a deal behind your back. No one wants to part with money when “it has all resolved naturally”. Especially royalties!!!
And fencing people with “NCND”s and debentures in such delicate matters… even if an American man may tolerate it, it’s contrary to a Russian wife’s mentality! )
But I totally agree with you that PayPerResult is the only way to win at this over-crowded market. Honesty is the best policy in the long run…
We shall exercise drastic pre-screening, deep acquaintaince with personalities and needs, hand-matching of couples; sell only high-compatibility-prospect-and-mutually-interested people’s contacts; offer secure correspondence gratis (!); arrange top-notch dates when the matches decide to meet; provide consulting, coaching and a host of additional services, from legal to medical, that ensure maximum security and efficiency.
Like, even if no chemistry appears between you and either of the candidates, you’ve still availed yourself of a European-quality health & wellness recreation program at comparatively trifle price, or a professional assistance in establishing a foreign business.)
We’ve entered the startup stage, so welcome for an individual talk if interested.
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia
Hello again;
I think Hero was being alittle facitious Wonder Woman. I too have felt alittle frustration at people using love as a motivator to take our hard earned currency.
It is certain much, much money is at stake due to the volume of people involved in finding me a loving, honest and sincere woman to spend my life with, but there are no shortcuts. That leads to failure.
We must still depend on ourselves when all the focus is over and we are just two people wishing for the love we’ve always dreamed of. I have taken a more independent approach and rely on my own thoughts and feelings.
We’ll see where it leads. Who can foresee all that the future holds. I’ll know much better in three months, and for certain within two years.
Thank you.
Canajun
OK Natalia, I hope we can do business some time. I’ll get back to you later.
Read the novel, “Vanished”, by Tess Gerrittson. This tells the story of a lot of young Russian women who come here hoping to get jobs and find themselves in a hell of slavery.
Mongoose
Natalia, i understood what you meant. “You” is American for “one”, as in “one feels…” But it can get confusing sometimes, and feel like “one” is putting words in another’s mouth.
Never mind, mongoose, you answered my question. You read fiction. Now THAT’S some top-shelf brainpower, right there!
“Read the novel, “Vanished”, by Tess Gerrittson. This tells the story of a lot of young Russian women who come here hoping to get jobs and find themselves in a hell of slavery.”
Mongoose, this is a fictional work, not a real account of a real event.
–Luke Skywalker
Mongoose: Yeps – there is a crime for everyone and everywhere, especially when you are vulnerable physically, gullible, lack reliable connections and legal backup, and brought up in reverence for discipline for generations.
(Same can be said about a victim of any scam)
But I’d pay to get that last year’s anti-slave-trafficking report put down in publicistic literary form, titled “Natashas”, can’t remember the author…
Craiggy,
I read all kinds of books, since I have two degrees in Comparative Literature. You have been showing your lack of brain power by consistantly bashing me instead of addressing what I have to say.
Mongoose
When you storm into the middle of a civilized conversation loaded for bear, contributing nothing but vitriole and broad generalizations based on one person you know and a book you read, what the hell do you expect?
I’m supposed to be impressed by your degrees? Apparently a degree is just a sign that someone test well, and an excuse to let their brain coast in neutral for the rest of their life.
My 3-year-old nephew calls me Craigy too, so that sounds about right.
Okay Master Craiggy–whatever you say. I repeat, you don’t know me at all. I have read many books and known very many people of all nationalities. I am in no way vitriolic. All of my posts have been polite. You are the basher here. I represent a point of view that is diametrically opposed to yours so you feel you must resort to character assassination to discredit me. And everyone here can see it.
Mongoose
Your very first comment here was a direct insult to the men here, followed by a broad generalization and a demand that we live our lives according to your ideas. It showed that you had taken no time to read this site and understand what it’s about. You brought only your own preconceived notions and personal baggage to the table. And in so doing, you lumped YOURSELF together with every other ill-mannered, ill-tempered poster who has done the same.
Mongoose Profile..
HYPOCRITE and LIAR
Mongoose Accusation
“You guys need to see people as individuals–not cliches.”
(your) “Constant generalizations which don’t mean a thing–you are winning nothing, and just making a fool of yourself.”
“I am in no way vitriolic. All of my posts have been polite.”
Mongoose Quotes
(us men are) “Typical half-cocked neanderthal ready to generalize and lump us all together.”
“What bothers me the most is the utter lack of respect you have for the Russion and other foreign women. You talk about them as if they’re commidities…like you are going overseas to buy a coat that we don’t make here in America.”
“And they all think that a 40 year old AM with a comb-over is going to find love with a 20 year old foreign hottie. Please leave these girls alone and stop tempting them with American money, so they can find Real, Young Love with their own country-men. We have a mess here–work with your own country women to fix it!!”
Mongoose Accusation
“America has two genders–male and female and we need to work together not with foriegners to heal our country.”
Mongoose Quote
“I am from Sicily and came here as a young child–five years old.”
ARROGANT & EGOTISTICAL
Mongoose Quotes
“Mangina? I’ll have mine with a glass of chianti, thank you!”
“America needs foreward thinking people like me now more than ever.”
“Mongoose is a brand of bicycle, which is where I got the nick since I ride one. The the animal is a quick and brave assassin of snakes.”
IGNORANT
Mongoose Quote
“Read the novel, “Vanished”, by Tess Gerrittson. This tells the story of a lot of young Russian women who come here hoping to get jobs and find themselves in a hell of slavery.”
Siberianow Quote
“Mongoose, this is a fictional work, not a real account of a real event.”
DENIAL
Mongoose Quote
“WOW!! You don’t know me at all and yet you feel you have the right to judge me and assume all kinds of foolishness about me that just isn’t true.”
“Your arguments are all specious.”
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Hi Mongoose..
Care to continue this game?
Be MORE then happy to add to your profile here..
and I’m sure the others here can join in as well since I’ve only spent a few minutes looking at your previous quotes..
GL
I have never insulted anyone on this board. I belive it would be inappropriate since I don’t know any of you. You are the one who has tried to disdredit me and insult me at every turn, because I am a threat to you. I am a free American woman with a career who is also church-going and nurturing in my personal life. My existance challenges your entire premise which is why you have been so rude to me. What I say doesn’t matter to you as much as that I exist. And as much as I am in the minority on this board, I think everyone here has noticed the difference in my style of communication compared to yours.
Mongoose
r_w,
You have taken all of my comments out of context. All of the posts directed at me have been personal attacks without focussing on the issues. I thought this was a forum–an exchange of ideas where a person can be respected for having an opinion. I am dissapointed.
Mongoose
DENIAL
Mongoose Quote
“I have never insulted anyone on this board.”
“All of my posts have been polite.”
(op cit.) “Typical half-cocked neanderthal”
(op cit.) “the utter lack of respect you have for the Russion and other foreign women.”
(op cit.) “Your arguments are all specious.”
“you are winning nothing, and just making a fool of yourself.”
“You have been showing your lack of brain power”
Can you even hear yourself?
“But I’d pay to get that last year’s anti-slave-trafficking report put down in publicistic literary form, titled “Natashas”, can’t remember the author…”
Natalia, I just came across a reference to this, oddly enough.
“The Natashas: The New Global Sex Trade”,
by Victor Malarek. 2004
Is that it? I’ll see if I can find anything more.
(if an infinite number of monkeys [neanderthals?] do an infinite number of google searches..)
Yess! That’s it, Craig! Thanks a lot!
I don’t know the quotation about monkeys, but I regularly come to a conclusion that probably the Collective Reason / Providence / Global Informational Field / God has arranged a comfortable residence in the Web space. Just as you have a question, you get an answer, solution or direction.
Kisses, N. )
It only took 3 monkeys to write Mongoose’s posts.
I leave for a week? What is going on with Mongoose.
Hi Amber….
Hi everyone, I stumbled on this blog while googling for this Kathleen Woorlich, and as I was reading.. I started to laugh.. how ironic I thought..
she got divorced manytimes.. got married with a morrocan.. who left her with a child….don’t need to wonder why.. now she’s with an Algerian.. and guess what.. not because she’s good looking… because he wanted to get out… she’s a sad case of someone looking for attention… that’s why she enjoys the fact that the whole blog is just about her and not about what it’s supposed to be about go on youtube and search for “kwoolr”…. Good luck to you guys and please do ignore her and get on with your lives…
Getting abandoned 3 years ago with a baby was not a highlight of my life. How kind of you to humiliate a 3 year old. Her father was hospitalised for depression many times before I met him unknown to me and subsequently embezzled money from different people in the US and owes over 10,000 to various Moroccan friends. I am now lucklily married to the nicest Algerian man ever who is decent and kind and a father to my daughter. Algerian people are the kindest most decent people I know ,loving fair kind and honest. Algeria is a blessing to me and the best people I have ever met in my life. Perhaps it is funny to laugh about someone being left holding a baby in a driveway. Perhaps it is funny that he was a Moroccan and left me alone in a gas station holding his child with no money and food. But for every horrible thing he did to me, Algerians have replaced all that pain with love and kindnesss.. Algerians are truly from God… kind honest , faithful and true. The best people I have ever known and thats why I spend all my time building them up.. Because they deserve the honor.. Wonderful blessed caring and fair and real men.. Algerians.. Fabulous people with honor and dignity.But thank for digging up a 8 month old thread… and thanks for giving me the chance to tell you how great Algerians are.. because they are WONDERFUL
You know guys… I’ve read kathleen’s previous stuff… and when Giselle aka FT aka JW first crawled in here…
Oh well, I guess they all sound the same. Never mind.
Socon, the thread was 8 months old. No one had even been posting..including me
Steve if you have some personal beef with me that you are stalking me on the web ( I have been getting other weird messages, why don’t you email me instead of making fun of my baby. I had not posted in here for 8 months and the thread was dead. You had to stalk me to find me and thats pretty scary. Stop stalking me on the net and be an adult and identify yourself. What kind of freak spends time googling people and stalks them? Loser.
As far as Socon, I don’t post anonymously. Thats not my style. And I want to tell you that over the last year I have had a change of heart about alot of things. I really feel like American women have been sold a lie.. I think getting back to morality, religion ( Christianity, Islam whatever) is not a bad thing and that the most precious thing a woman has is her femininity ( unless you are Eleanor of Acquataine ruling middle ages England, being feminine will get you alot farther than barking. ) Maybe Russian women have figured it out.. that being manly just does not cut it..There is nothing wrong with living to make a man happy and keeping a home and frankly I wish I had learned this lesson a lot sooner because I think I would have been alot happier in my life. Yes , Russian women take better care of themselves on average than Americans. American women have some wonderful qualities but beating up women from a culture that caters to men ( which men want and need AS MEN is just plain dumb) I have been watching visa sites and I think there are some real love matches between russians and Americans and I think its xenophobic to put negative stuff out there. I think I was short sighted in what I said and frankly I think that if people are happy , they should do what they want. I am sure there are horror stories , but by far and the numbers coming out of Russia, and the sheer happiness of the men I am seeing, I regret my comments. I feel like I am sure in saying that there are real love matches and if people are happy they should marry who they want.
Russian women seem to know something American women don’t know or our men would not be going over there in droves. Maybe we should take some hints from the Russians and take better care of ourselves physically and take better care of our men
CHEERS
Wow, Kathleen… just, wow.
I’ve read this thread from start to finish and I can see there is such a distinct begining, middle and end in the tone and attitude of your responses.
Your final post was lovely, and I wish you the best of luck and a world of continued happiness with your man and children.
Maybe this is a good example that people are never beyond hope and change is possible – and in this case, that change opened up a new lease of life.
Kudos to you, Kathleen.