(this is an expanded post from the “Ugly Girl Disclaimer” discussion thread)
I am constantly amazed at how our society has come to a point of repression to where we are not supposed to be free to use the words “Ugly” or “Fat”.
The road to HELL is always paved with “good” Feminist intentions. So in their zeal to further control our behavior by controlling our language they decide to invent new terms like “alternative appearance” or “appetite challenged”.
Communism was such a great experiment to see if these ideas for promoting “equality” were right. According to it.. if we could just make “everyone equal” we would all have a more harmonious and prosperous existence.
But what many people don’t realize is that to make everyone “equal” is to forcefully degrade everyone to the LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR.
Or in other words let’s force everyone to be lazy, un-motivated, jealous and ignorant. Once people reach this point the only way they can make themselves feel good is by tearing into someone else that has something they don’t like money, beauty, or a husband.
And then this turns into a vicious cycle.
You see when a virus like this is firmly embedded within any culture it leads to outright sabotage and “theft” on a massive scale so that no one can move up.
In Western Countries such as the US this “theft” manifests itself in the divorce courts where the majority of Men face the prospects of having their property, parental rights, and even their liberty taken from them.
I once heard of a ghetto term that perfectly illustrates this and it’s called “crabs”. If you’ve ever seen a bucket full of crabs then you know that once one crab tries to rise and leave the bucket.. all of the other crabs will drag this poor crab back down.
If anyone doesn’t believe me about how destructive this system of crab-like “equality” is then they should come to any ex-Soviet country and see how thoroughly it crushes a Man’s spirit and turns millions of people into the walking dead. Russia’s demographics and it’s very ability to hold the country together in the no so distant future is endangered because of this very reason.
Kill a person’s spirit and you will soon kill their bodies..
Try to make everyone “equal” within any society and watch it slide into the WORST that human beings and history has to offer.
THE SAME IS TRUE FOR BEAUTY AND UGLINESS.
So get this… Did you know that there is a growing movement primarily in the US to start promoting physically UGLY and FAT women as being on “Equal” physical terms with women who are beautiful.
Well guess what this means for you Guys?
It means that US and Western women who have any potential at beauty will start to physically degrade themselves in order to go with the new LOWERED STANDARD of beauty which becomes the NORM.
Just like with Communism our society starts to believe that we can alter nature’s most basic fundamental principals of CAUSE and EFFECT. ie. We try to cushion or remove people from experiencing the consequences of their own decision.. like getting FAT… and that encourages all other women to get laxed and to do the same…
And consequences always follows.
So US and Western women allow themselves to get Fat, to wear loose baggy “hood” style clothes everywhere, not shave their arm pits or legs, get large tattoos, have piercings in strange places, etc. etc.. you starting to get the picture?
Unfortunately I’m sure you do..
Because it’s all around you. American & Western Women are letting themselves go to complete dog do-do because they believe that’s this is the NORMAL thing to do. In this nasty cultural environment ALL WOMEN even naturally beautiful ones would face a strong and growing temptation “to blend in” with the rest.
AND just for added measure..
Just to make sure that we are forced to complete their DENIAL for them..
We are “supposed” to ignore this and “accept them” for who they are.. We are not supposed to say that the women that surround us are FAT and UGLY. If any of you guys DARE do this then be prepared for a Harassment complaint or even a Lawsuit.
Guys I hate to say this but..
Welcome to the New Feminist USSR.
So next time you are out and about.. take special notice of the Women around you. Look at how they dress and hear what they say.. and more importantly HOW they say it. Hopefully after reading this you will gain a whole new perspective on the sad state of affairs that our female counterparts are unconsciously wallowing in.
In anycase let me just close this off on a positive note by sharing a very old Russia proverb with you..
“Women fall in love with their ears..”
“While Men fall in love with their EYES..”
Gentlemen.. Certain Truths never change..
And THANK GOD Russian Women understand this.
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correct, call a women FAT and go to jail. BUT if they call you a “BAD” name they are praised. now people will understand why i am leaving the U.S., Dave
It doesn’t matter how fat and ugly Western women get you can bet they won’t be dating fat and ugly guys.
You’ve got that right Jon, at least among white women here.
Taras
Most American women are nothing but pieces of do do. When I say American women, I primarily mean white women. They can be the worst creatures to exist.
Try saying hi to “hot” American woman or if you try to be social, she will quickly try to get away or all the cops.
American women have some sort of personality disorder. Even if you say hi to them, they will either give a mean digust look and ignore you, or they will try to look for the nearest buff guy.
However in Eastern Europe and Russia, a buff or tall guy is not what is a priority for a woman.
The beautiful women in that part of the world are a thousand times better then American women. They crush them on very category. I am starting to find American women attractive.
Actually after visiting Prague and Moscow, American women are basically men,
I agree, American women have a scale of 1-10 for beauty, but I think the scale for Russian women starts at 10, and goes to at LEAST, 20!
Blade, I presume you mean American women are really men trapped in a female body? They are indeed that. I call them, chicks with d***s. I for one don’t find women who act like men attractive at all, I find them repulsive. It’s nice your trip to Moscow and Prague opened your eyes, mind and heart to another, better alternative than what passes for women here.
Taras
GL~
I thought of something while tending bar the other night. American girls,
I’ve noticed, have grown more and more “okay” with making out with
other girls(and other forms of intimacy)… I see it all the time in
bars, clubs, and on TV! Why do you think this is, and is it prevalent among females
in Russia? Seems like just one more of the unladylike qualities of
american women… They are all warped! Interested to hear your
thoughts.
Rock&Roll,
WK
What you write is so true.. I am from Australia and something like 65% of us are overweight or obese (this appears to be mostly the women!) I have just been walking around the city of melbourne and was describing this exact phenomenon to a female friend from Asia. In 2 hours we counted only about 20 girls that would be considered beautiful and had good figures (i.e. not fat)and most of them were asian!
thom
Hi Thom,
Welcome aboard for you Down Under Blokes
Thanks for the compliment…
You really start to see the world in a different light when you are able to travel or if you can meet people from different cultures. I wonder how bad it would be in Melbourne if you didn’t have any beautiful and slim Asian women to look at. I’m sure the situation would be much worse.
In anycase my favorite movie in the world has got to be the Matrix. And the more I travel the more I can see how certain groups of people like American and Western women are blissfully ignorant of their existence within it.
Just like in the movie it’s a strange feeling. You walk around with the awareness of knowing what life is like outside of the matrix and that there is another existence that offers a very different level of truth and freedom.
When I lived in the US it often felt like a bad science fiction movie where all the women that surrounded you were mentally hijacked and had a slow, steady, and strangling agenda to demoralize and diminish your existence.
The only thing you can do is to stay strong.. join with others who understand what’s at stake here and to fight your battles one at a time.
But I gotta admit..
It’s a great feeling to be part of a Rag Tag Rebel Fleet that decides to take on the Death Star no matter what the odds are.
And I believe that more then anything this is what real living is all about..
Western women are becoming so unattractive. They walk, talk, eat and behave like men, they think acting like a bitch makes them a successful career woman, they think that making their own money means they don’t need a companion, and worst of all they are so easily taken in by the poisonous sh*t on the television these days, encouraging women to behave like animals and treat their men like dirt and f*ck like whores.
Western men luckily don’t need to put up with this crap. Find a woman that understands the human race as male and female, equal but with very different specifications and qualities (which is why we are attracted to each other).
Look east to Eastern Europe and Asia. The women there are incredible. Don’t marry a confused, messed up slutty western bitch.
From what I’ve observed, outside the U.S. fat isn’t such a big deal. There’s usually a limit to how fat women will get in any culture where people still walk alot, so though many would fit the overweight catagory and even more are definitely not model slim, they’re still more beautiful on average, than American women.
Beauty is more about health than weight, this side of the pond. Someone only starts really worrying about their weight when they’re doing sports, getting older and wanting to stay in shape, their profession requires it, or they’re trying to be American.
In my opinion, the focus on appearance rather than function is part of what has defeminized American women. It’s no longer okay to want to have a house full of kids, the youngest of whom won’t be past the need-to-chase toddler phase until a woman is 45-50. It’s almost a surprise if you find a woman under 40 who really knows how to cook…and even though many of us are working at home so we can be with our children, we’re still looked upon as not having ‘real jobs’. You don’t even want to get into the proportion of American kids who are raised by daycare that is definitely not anything like real daycare should be. One’s provider should actually love one’s kids about like their own.
American women in this generation are normally ugly mainly because nobody ever taught them how to be beautiful.
I have a real problem with people saying that american women are not worthy of love. But if every man in america is determined to defend the honor of the poor oppressed russian women then fine bring them over bring all of them, but make sure you have your pre-nuptials ready, because they will take you to the cleaners! The american women you divorce and the russian women you marry!
Better yet just ship every american born woman off to Russia, since you seem to hate the women that have given birth to your children and put you though college–go for it
Well then, you haven’t yet been been through what the rest of us have been. For me personally, American born women either ignore or see me as a means to an end. That ensures they’re unworthiness for me, at least as far as the ones I’ve met so far are concerned. We’re exercising our right to look elsewhere, just as you’re exercising your right to stay with American women, IF you are in fact a man. If you’re a woman, tough nuts. What you want is now irrelevent, what you’ve chose is now at hand, namely we’re voting with our feet. Who I choose to marry is none of your business, let alone busy body Pink Swastika feminists’, whorporations or our increasingly totalitarian government. No matter who or where you marry let alone date a woman, there is always an element of risk. The trouble is, most but not all American women are just too risky. Not with the divorce, child support and so-called stalking laws out there that do nothing but smash families, criminalize men for fathering children, turn children into criminals, drug addicts and worse. Of course women’s bad behavior is rewarded. All to make government bigger and lawyers rich on the backs of overworked and exploited men of all races and creeds. Also, I have Ukrainian and Russian ancestry, and would rather be with someone with whom I have something in common with.
Taras
Amen, Taras. Long story short… I’m in the process of divorce, losing custody of my children for no reason other than unfair custody laws that are biased against men and don’t care about wife’s demonstrated irresponsibility. Wasted 6 years of my life married to a woman who never loved and respected me, and who did not contribute financially to the family (yet is currently getting half my income for alimony/child support!)
My experience with American women is that they are trash. They’re out to “get what they can get” and never have been taught how to contribute in a meaningful fashion to a family. Not sure what lies ahead at this point, but I see the same patterns of behavior in the single women who live near me. I don’t date right now, but dread what the future holds in store once I’m back on the market.
It is time for men to stand up for men’s rights, declare that we alone control our own bodies, and make the difficult decision to not father children. Seize the initiative, men, or society will continue to treat us as nothing but sperm donors and cash cows for single mothers (fat or thin!)
What about our say in abortion? It takes two to tango. Has this never been considered in court, or (more aptly) why was it decided that men have no say in whether their babies will be allowed to be born?
Well said Taras,
Pretty tough to argue against Freedom of Choice eh?
I say roll the dice and let’s see who ends up happy, loved and able to build a real future.
Globalization also touches the ability to expand relationship choices just like anything else in this world.
The one who yell against open markets the most are the pro-monopolists who refuse to change and have much to lose.
GL
to Gene:
“the poor oppressed russian women” – Gene, you obviously do not know Russian women.
Women in Russia are striving to be beautiful, feminine and ….. weak because we are tired of being strong. For the last century with all revolutions, wars, crises, turmoils Russian women had to get through hardships of life, do man’s jobs and support family. Compaired to North America, we have very few housewifes,the mjority of women alsways work full-time because our mothers and our grandmothers always worked and raised children with little support from men due to many reasons. Unfortunately Russia has the highest divorse rate in the world. Almost halve of my friends have been raised by single mothers. Mother-Russia is matriarchic. I heard from male expats who have been living in Russia for a long time that women in Russia are very strong. As one Russian poet said in 19the century – “Russian woman can stop the galopping horse and come into a burning house”.
To American men: think twice before you decide to marry Russian women. Read our history first, to avoide surprises in future.
Gene you really are a butt kissing feminst supporter.
American women are not worthy of love. They are horrible creatures and they are ugly on the outside and inside.
Foreign women are superior to American women. Only closet gays like yourself American since enjoy eating the see of a man that has been with your woman.
Gene Says:
September 10th, 2006 at 12:46 am
I have a real problem with people saying that american women are not worthy of love.
Some of them are worthy but most of them are not. Most American women have either turned hard-core feminists (check your local college campus) or feminists in sheeps clothing (meaning that they’ll be great girlfirends and tell you what you need to hear and then BAM! once that damn ring is on her finger, get ready for the most miserable years of your life)
But if every man in america is determined to defend the honor of the poor oppressed russian women then fine bring them over bring all of them, but make sure you have your pre-nuptials ready, because they will take you to the cleaners! The american women you divorce and the russian women you marry!
The above only applies to the uninformed, unintelligent man who dives into the international dating scene dictated by his lower head. As with any population of women, there are good ones and there are bad ones. Russia has plenty of good ones and that’s who we are trying to bring to America. The ones who are clearly gold-digging and green card hunting, well they can stay there for all I care. This website is designed to educate the uninformed man about what a true woman is and where they are to be found. Generally speaking, American women are not true women. You seem to like American women, Gene so marry one and leave us alone.
Better yet just ship every american born woman off to Russia, since you seem to hate the women that have given birth to your children and put you though college–go for it.
Come again? What does exporting every American female to Russia have to do with the way we feel about our mothers and wives? Explain you logic here while I down some Tylenol. Like I said in my first paragraph, some women are worthy of carrying the mantle of a “true woman”. My mother and sister being among them. As for my ex-wife, well, she is searching for the right (yes) man to domnate. Wanna meet her?
I have a real problem with the rotten attitudes most American women have, and men who put up with it. When men do that, it ruins things for everyone. The ones who don’t have the rotten attitude have their pick of men, or they’re married. I don’t mess with women who are married or involved already. Therefore, I and other men have or will be going to another venue where we won’t be playing second fiddle and the playing field is more level. It’s so tilted towards women here, average men either are stuck with headcases who’ll wreck their lives at the drop of a hat or they’ll die old and alone. Often both fates await many American men. That is also the fate that awaits many Russian women because their men are killing themselves off through drinking, poor health care and even violence. Right now there are God knows how many women there who want to have families, but can’t because there are not nearly enough men to go around. At least ones who want to be a husband and father. The same thing is starting to happen here, but in Russia it’s so bad, it’s threatening their future as a people, not just as a country. As I have said, I have Russian and Ukrainian blood and given the choice between the sort I encounter here, or a lady with whom I and many other American men have something in common, the choice is clear. I never said all American women are unworthy of affection and love, I just haven’t found one who’d reciprocate my sentiments. Don’t bother saying I deserve it either, I am well aware of how flawed I am as a person, fine thank you. I work constantly to overcome my weaknesses, but my experiences are far from unique. I know American men who are better mannered than I am, more cultured than I am, certainly better looking than I am, and they too are in the same boat. That argument just doesn’t hold up under close scrutiny. We’re tired of playing to a hostile audience, it’s time we try a new one. Like I said, you have the freedom of choice to do what you want, but do not interfere with ours.
Taras
i also am from Melbourne,Australia and the situation is exactly the same. It is like the women are gaining more and more control and its hard to hold more than a 1 minute conversation with the beautiful ones that are left. I havent been to Russia but it seems like the answer to alot of men in the western world. Let this be the answer please god!
Hello Russian woman..
Solid history along with equally solid advice.
Thanks and please tell your friends about us..
GL
Hi Aaron,
Coming to Russia may not solve all of a Man’s problems but I will tell you it’s a big step in the right direction. Especially if much of these existing problems are caused by women who identify themselves as “competitors” to you instead of “supporters”.
Please keep on reading and participating and share what you have learned with your fellow mates down under
GL
Hi Taras..
Love your point about playing to a hostile audience..
The really twisted and completely co-dependent thing about this is the fact that this hostile audience DOESN’T WANT YOU TO LEAVE THE STAGE.
Their existence and identity as hostile audience members completely depends on it.
Watch how pissed off they will REALLY GET when you announce your intentions to not play their game. Their anger and outrage painfully demonstrates a sick co-dependency on their part.. And you don’t want to touch that with a 10 foot pole..
Thanks again for the comments..
Hi guys!
I am an Eastern European woman, I moved in US about 2 years ago. You are so right – American woman are not taking good care of their physical appearance. Neither do men (sorry guys). I was shocked to see how sloppy are everybody in the way they dress. People with ugly dirty baggy clothes were everywhere – even in theaters and good restaurants.
In my opinion one of the reasons this happen is purely economical. I think humans are really lazy creatures – if they are not pushed by necessity, they do not want to put an effort in anything. In Russia and Eastern Europe people often straggle so much financially – sometimes it is not easy to survive. Physical beauty of women is becoming a commodity. This is their only way to ensure good life for themselves. That’s why they have no choice but trying to look their best and attract a man, who is capable of taking care of them. The competition is sometimes brutal:)In such environment, even if you are not looking for a rich husband, you feel it is socially unacceptable not to look good, dress well, etc. For generations the Russian version of Cinderella story was the dream to marry a rich foreigner and get out of the misery and poverty in the former Soviet Union. That’s why you guys are getting so easily the attention of these gorgeous Russian girls.
Women in the rich western world are financially independent. They can take care of themselves, work and get a good salary, they don’t even need a man to have children – they manage well enough by their own. That’s why they don’t need to waste their time and efforts in something pointless – what do they need a man for? They can even have sex with one another:)
Hi Stella,
I must agree with you totally. Nobody summed it up as well as you did. Americans have become victims of their own success and the result is the laziness and general deterioration in standards. If people had to work hard and compete much more they would be motivated and in pursuit of physical and mental perfection instead of adopting a lazy indifferent lifestyle.
Hello Stella!
Thanks for visiting! I’m glad you can take this blog to heart and apply it to your own experience and identity since you are from East Europe and not Russia. I certainly would not want to exclude any of you great ladies as well.
I also love your observations as well. Competition is brutal for these women.. no doubt.. and it’s very unfairly tilted against them. That’s one of the reasons why I’m doing what I’m doing.
Anyways thanks for the support.. please keep writing and visiting!
Cheers, GL
“Women in the rich western world are financially independent. They can take care of themselves, work and get a good salary, they don’t even need a man to have children – they manage well enough by their own. That’s why they don’t need to waste their time and efforts in something pointless – what do they need a man for? They can even have sex with one another:)”
Stella, you make a correct observation about the Western society. That’s the result of women liberation. Western women think they are free from marriage, family and men. In reality, they are really becoming miserable slaves in disguise of women freedom.
However, do you wonder why the divorce rate is so high that is around 80% to 90%? Do you ever wonder why the marriage rate is getting lower and lower every year? Why are more kids lacking discipline and make so much of trouble? Why smart and decent men chose to stay single, and not to marry in the western world? Why are the birth rate getting lower and lower? Why are the crime rate getting worse?
In fact, women here in the USA become financially independent and rich through divorce courts and child support, not through work and business. Women are collecting so much of passive income from divorce deal at expense of men working like crazy to pay all of those ailmony, child support and other form from divorce. They just look at men as wallets to be looted. To western women, marriage is just pure business, not love and companionship. Married western women are the highest paid prostitutes in the world making oodles of money from the whole marriage scam! Also, marriage and divorce is just another money-making scheme for divorce lawyers and the US government.
Also, the attitude of not needing any men to have children… then, there is very serious consequence for children without fathers. Evidence shows again and again that children without fathers will turn out to become violent and manipulative criminals. Also, without father, how would the girls to have loving relationship and bonding with father so they can learn how to have good relationship with boys? How would boys learn how to be good men when they can look up to examples set by their fathers? Family is a basic foundation for stable and sane society.
If you want to have a lifestyle of rich western women, be ware that good, sane, reasonable and decent men would avoid you like plaque and rightfully refuse to date you. They would just leave you alone. You would be viewed as a competitor competing with men for money.
No wonder why the USA society is really in a really HUGE mess and very chaotic. Today’s society is the consequence of feminism and its very selfish attitude posed by western women. All of this is 100% backed by the US government.
kzarz! That was great!
Pass the Tylenol – The weather change here in Texas has my head in a mess…
Stella had made some good points, especially when it comes to human nature and the fact that people here do not take care of their appearance. I agree with Stella wholeheartedly on that one. If I were a parent, I would never allow my kids to go out dressed like a street walker or a gangbanger. I sure as hell would take my own apperance seriously. Some of it is because most Americans in reality are poor and getting much poorer. Add to that the fact that clothing available for many people is at best, shoddy. The exploding obesity epidemic here is also making baggy, ugly, ill fitting clothing the norm here. Most of it though is due to pure, unalloyed laziness and not knowing any better. I hope Stella doesn’t think all Americans are this way, because that is not true.
Taras
I am adding a comment to what Blade said about the “hot” American woman calling the cops and/or looking for the nearest “buff” guy even if you say hi to her or try to be social.
Here is how that scenario would look:
AW: Hello, Mr. Buff guy, this guy over here tried to talk to me without paying the proper prostitution fee for talking. Could you please rough him up for me? If you do, then maybe I will give you a 20% discount on your next prostitution fee, maybe.
“Buff” Guy: Hooray for prostitution! Of course I will punch his lights out and then we can call the cops and say that he tried to rape you or something and of course the feminist courts will believe us and send him to prison for 20 years.
I know this is an extreme example, but it reflects the truth in this culture.
–Luke
This thread reminds me of a short story by Kurt Vonnegut called “Harrison Bergeron”; check it out:
http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html
What I see on this post and in the comments is that men are still blind. The Russian women are absolutely desperate for western husbands, they will say and do anything to get one because they believe it will improve the lot of their life, and, sadly, it probably would.
Perhaps you should speak to more American men who have married one of these Russian jewels and been taken for a ride..
Human nature as not changed. American women are not getting “ugly” they and their male counterparts are getting fat though, and unhealthy. In Japan obesity is also becoming a problem.
Well, as a full-fledged representative of Ukrainian women and Russian culture, I reject this “absolutely desperate for Western” label. We’ve learned balance in self-sufficience to be not desperate for anything in life, but still holding a natural need for a GREAT husband and a comfortable living With Him WHEREVER IT IS GOOD. Whose fault is that there are more deserving men and better-organized life standards in the West.
Also as one who has visited Australia (Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra) for a week in 2000, I can full-heartedly tell that one of my greatest impressions (against its inspiring air pervading you from the first breath, its vivacious calmness, its creative architecture and design, surprising at any scale, its incredible wild nature, the magnificence of its ocean resembling a loving man’s strong embrace, the exquisite plenty of healthy food – especially seafood! – well, stop me…) -
was the 99% prevalence of superb-looking, young and sporty Men… (with clean-shaven faces and, most exemplarly, armpits too
– don’t think wrong, I’ve been at the beach…)
and total absence of women! Is my eye just gauged for beauty? My experience on this part was limited to a guide’s narration about 180o role swap in dating initiatives, and a photo I snapped of two meaty blondes in leather over a Harley! )))
As for Americans,.. guys, just exterminate that fast-food. Our visitors picture a typical US family as a family of enemas (that ridiculous pear shape). In my refrigerator, there’s a picture of two kids, resembling Micheline’s logo man, but second-power fatter and made of porollone, over some portion of that porollone fries with Cola.
Got a couple of articles why we have so many beautiful women, and prepare to issue a host of observations about women that are deemed fat by OUR local standards (coming soon).
Sincerely,
Comrade Natalia
http://russianwomenspeak.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/why-so-many-beautiful-women-in-russia-eastern-europe/
I repeat: what contempt American women have for their poor ignorant savage sisters abroad! The joke, as GL (I think) pointed out, is that most American women wouldn’t survive a week living in Russia, where their sisters not only survive but thrive, and do it with beauty and grace.
Dana has also visited Natalia’s blog, but her tone of course is very different there (as is her name). Buddying up in solidarity and all that. I quote: “Well, I have seen much worse attempts at putting a finger on Russian female character.” (& I thought I heard a the end.) The American woman is the master (mistress?) of the compliment-that’s-really-a-putdown. Natalia, I’m sure you really appreciate knowing that your blog doesn’t suck THAT bad.
I’m sure your friends are welcome here, Dana. As GL has said, this isn’t like the sites you undoubtedly frequent, where the strong and empowered faint at the first sight of a dissenting opinion, censor it, then go running to daddy (the ISP, the government, ..) screaming harassment and persecution. Just make sure to tell your friends that GL holds this blog to a higher standard than you’ve demonstrated so far. Intelligent comments are welcome, but if they are just your clones, they should be prepared for the response they will get. I’m sure they can handle it, being the strong womyn they are.
* should have been “(& I thought I heard a -sniff- at the end.)”
Hey, was it the same Dana??
I just made a guess of married2abrit’s email which also began with “dana”, before hearing THIS person. They sound more like two different women, at least by different degrees of acquaintance with the subject.
. For this reason, I haven’t seen anything derogatory in “much worse descriptions”, because the topic is indeed very complex and sensitive, and that post was just a little facet of the Mysterious Russian Soul!
Sinc., N.
Hey Dana,
Your Feminist cookie cutter modus operandi tag line of “Desperate Russian Women” is probably as old as your tampon.. flush it and go get a new one.. and then when you are finally fresh, clean and presentable you can come back here to “play” with us anytime..
Is this crude?
Maybe..
But so is your racist and jealous B.S. so let’s see if you can take what you dish out Grrl..
Natalia..
Nice comment.. Ok I think we are on the same page today and I’m truly happy.
But hey are you the one making these posts to this site?
http://www.newwoman.ru/letters_529.html
Cause honestly it didn’t sound too good Comrade and maybe you can tell us what’s up?
In anycase i think you can see that instead of you and me splitting hairs and spending tons of energy on relatively nebulous differences.. perhaps you can realize that when visitors like Dana come calling and try to spread their usual FUD – Fear Uncertainty and Doubt against you marvelous Russian and Ukrainian Ladies.. that this is probably the more important battle for us to fight together on?
Truly.. GL
Dear GL:
The matters we develop are so subtle that either of the parties (Men, Women, Russian, Western) often make detrimental conclusions. (If you could only hear how Russian men slander Brides International!!) You moderate them assiduously, and so I try. Pay attention, it’s seldom that I really confront with yourself, it’s with some of the guests!
You shouldn’t be deluded by the Americanized commotations of “new woman”. It’s the site where Russian women exchange their international experience, in a most cooperative, generally positive and constructive way, like How to Accommodate a Child to a Foreign School, Environment and Family (a recent post).
Honestly, my post there was indeed hyperbolically peppery-provoking (those boys / girls talks!), as I wrote it after someone tried to lull Luke saying something like “there’s no good listening to women, who can’t speak honest facts but abstract emotions” (yet I soon found you’ve deleted these comments, which I appreciate!).
I asked my compatriots if anyone has seen more official statistics on divorce rates, and also hoped to intrigue more speakers to come with their stories.
It’s a pity that a wasp flew in resultingly – or concurrently (’cause this Dana is quite an odd to THAT company). But how much has your popularity increased?
))) I hope it is a vast silver lining to this cloud.
Balance is indeed a difficult and precious thing.
PEACE!
Sincerely, Comrade N.
>Hey, was it the same Dana??
I assumed it was – kind of coincidental that 2 Danas would be posting to these 2 sites around the same time. But possible. Sorry if I’m wrong. But that was my point exactly – sounded like 2 different women (& 2 different agendas) to 2 different audiences! So who knows.
And the way married2abrit phrased it was definitely a left-handed compliment, damning with faint praise. I was struck by the arrogance of an American woman in Paris telling a Russian/Ukrainian woman in Kiev: “I suppose maybe you sort of know what you’re talking about.”
Gentlemen, oh there is indeed no use in wasting energy on discussing each other…
A neat idea is in the air.
There is a type of people who Feed On Bad Vibes.
They need to “have some anger at mornings, for digestion”, as a Russian writer pointed out. Very characteristic to many old Russian people.
I’ve known some by my own skin. They nag at nothing, try to wrest you out of balance, and the more irritated you get, the more excited they go, on and on untill you dish out.
But if you ignore them… THEY CAN DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Zero reaction. Like Schwarz has Terminatored on to the pulpit paying no attention to an egg thrown into him. And he won the elections.
The same thing happened to our runner-up for Presidency. He fell down as if it were an attempt at assassination, and then went tantrums.
It ruined his reputation irreparably.
Some blunt remarks often make my tongue itch snake-forking for an exercise in satire… Yet I know these types don’t convert. So why dilute this juicy resource with [raz-'bor-ki]?
Sinc., N.
Man, RW_man, every time it seems like we are about to be able to say “Ok, now we’ve gone for quite a while without a feminist coming onto this site, maybe we can go for a month with no feminists”, then another feminist comes and posts on this site.
–Luke Skywalker
Natalia,
I agree with you in principle and in general, but –
Part of the importance of GL’s blog is the chance that we have to support each other in NOT TAKING THIS CRAP ANYMORE, wherever we encounter it. There’s a fine line between “ignoring it” and “taking it”. Was it GL who compared Western men today to lab animals who finally just lay there, tired of trying to avoid the electric shocks, resigned to the pain? That’s not a moral high ground.
There are lots of men like me who have felt like voices crying in the wilderness. We need to show each other that we can stand up to these witches, and, sometimes, how to. (GL, you da MAN!)
Wymmin like Dana swoop in and do the typical female shaming thing, and do it rather crudely. Shame is one of the traditional “nonexistent” powers women have over men, like praise. (Must be a mother thing.) Others (a Kathleen comes to mind) instead write long essays that seem reasonable enough on the surface, weaving a web around our simple brains. But embedded in them are little emotional grenades. (“Here, hold this while I talk.” BOOM!) We need to learn how to parse what they are really saying, the games they are playing with our heads, and finally see the slime dripping from everything they say. The time when that worked to shut us up has come and gone. And, hopefully, so has theirs.
That’s why I get so worked up. And once I get going .. I’m having too damn much fun to stop!
And I vehemently disagree that if you ignore them they can do nothing. They are doing it all the time, in the world around us, to destructive effect.
Mmmm… I didn’t mean political inaction, or dropping a thread of conversation online to switch over to a new, “safer” page.)) Actually thought of just going on discussing reasonable matters, without “sticking tampons” (there’s some similarity to authentic Russian expressions of the kind… untranslatable… turns into “whacking pussies out of” smb )))
Where there is logical argument, persuasion may work. Where there are frontal attacks… Sapienti Sat. I really hardly imagine how an exchange in insults can repersuade sooner than make one embittered in his/her opinion.
Just Wondering.
awww, ok. (grumble, mope) Now what am I gonna do for fun?
But believe me, an American feminist doesn’t need me to become embittered in her opinion. That train left the station long ago.
And a logical conversation with one? Never. Going. To happen. Because, you see, women have a “special way of knowing” (read: “If I feel it, it’s true and needs no further defense.”) And logic is a tool of the patriarchy. I bet you think I’m exaggerating!
Thanks Craig for being spot on with what’s happening..
Luke not only am I going to ask you to get used to it but I also want you to start enjoying it.. Because welcome to real life.. and you might as well learn how to handle a fight here if you are going to do it in the real world. And stand for what you believe in.
Exactly Craig Moberg. Its useless to try to talk to the American Feminists using the language of logic and reason. Indeed, many times American feminists like Dana have a hard time understanding the points we make in plain English. That is because American feminists speak a language called Femmish.
Since I have lived in America for too long, I unfortunately know some of this ugly language myself.
Because it is important for Dana to understand that she needs to act in a proper manner on GL’s blog, kindly allow me to do him a favor and translate his logical English message into Femmish so that Dana can become aware of the decorum that is expected of her:
Orig.>> Hey Dana,
Trans.>> OW OWWW Dana Grrrrl!!!
Orig.>> You Feminist cookie cutter modus operandi tag line of “Desperate Russian Women” is probably as old as your tampon.. flush it and go get a new one..
Trans.>> Grrl you and da Womyn been sayin da feminist line dat Russan Women is desperate 2 much Grrl. Now it like a old drrty drrty tampon Grrl. You gotta do a strong, liberated flush flush now Grrl. You need get a strong, independent nu tampon, Grrl, OW OWWW!!!!♀♀
Orig.>> and then when you are finally fresh, clean and presentable you can come back here to “play” with us anytime..
Trans.>> You need wassh thos drrrty words out yo mouf, Grrrl! You need 2 find a new way to REPRESENT YO-SELF GRRRRRL!!!! OW OWW!!!!! Den you come back an play, womyn, ok?
Orig.>> Is this crude?
Maybe..
But so is your racist and jealous B.S. so let’s see if you can take what you dish out Grrl..
Trans.>> Maybe dis is crude, Grrl. But you B.S. is crude 2, Grrl. An its racist an jealous 2, Grrl. And now Womyn we gonna see if you can takey takey dat stuff thatcha gave us, Grrl!
——————————————–
Translator’s Note: There is no word for dish in Femmish because the N.O.W. and Feminist Majority biorganization Council on the Language of Femmish has decreed that dishes are representative of the patriarchy, and of women being “forced to cook and clean instead of becoming sexually liberated career women”.
–Luke Skywalker
GL, I have handled many fights both on the internet and in real life, and I definately stand for what I believe in. I just thought that it might be a sign that the feminists are weakening if we noticed that none of them had come on here for a month or so.
It’s part of looking forward to the day when feminism is starting to get defeated.
–Luke Skywalker
“So US and Western women allow themselves to get Fat, to wear loose baggy “hood” style clothes everywhere, not shave their arm pits or legs, get large tattoos, have piercings in strange places, etc. etc.. you starting to get the picture?”
Yes – I get the picture of many, many men who still get jobs and still get taken seriously as human beings.
Look – I’m a bit fat and I’m no raving beauty (although my partner of 12 years might disagree somewhat, bless his cotton socks)(and I _do_ rave occasionally, i must admit
AND I’m a strong feminist, but I would never, EVER deny someone their natural beauty and talents…but if I’m more qualified at something than someone who is more beautiful than me and _she_ gets the job, then that’s unfair and I will speak out if I discover that such a practice is common. See? there’s a difference – I would never begrudge women being beautiful – good luck to them – but I would be horrified if I thought they were getting jobs just ‘cos they’re cute!
And what’s wrong with being able to concentrate on other stuff, besides an endless beauty routine? If I had to do all the stuff fashion “requires” of me, I’d never get to work on time.
“Shame is one of the traditional “nonexistent” powers women have over men, like praise. (Must be a mother thing.)”
Well, yes! Have you ever tried to get some men to get off their arses and DO SOMETHING? The very act of trying (and trying and trying) turns you in to their mother, so you act like one.
Of course, the idea is to just give up and do it yourself, which many women are doing nowdays – hence the plummetting marriage rate…
“You really start to see the world in a different light when you are able to travel or if you can meet people from different cultures. I wonder how bad it would be in Melbourne if you didn’t have any beautiful and slim Asian women to look at. I’m sure the situation would be much worse. ”
Racist prats.
And what _exactly_ is considered “fat”?
Size 10?
Kim (Also from Melbourne)
Tell me, are many of the feminists in the US so incredibly crazy? So many people seem to hate them so fervently.
I’m not sure it’s like that here in Australia. I mean, my mum uses the word “feminazis” (which I find enormously insulting), but then my mum votes Liberal and reads the Herald-Sun (a somewhat sensationalist paper that uses no big words). I love my mum, but…
In my experience, feminists are just people who want equal opportunities for EVERYONE and any benefits that women get MUST be given to men, too. We believe there’s no value in simply hating and oppressing “the other side” (even if we do get a bit cross with them occasionally)
“American women are nothing but pieces of shit. When I say American women, I primarily mean white women. They are the worst creatures to exist.”
Gee – not bitter or twisted, are we?
“Try saying hi to “hot” American woman or if you try to be social, she will quickly try to get away or all the cops.”
Well there are a lot of lunatics out there. How does she know you’re not one of them?
“American women have some sort of personality disorder. Even if you say hi to them, they will either give a mean digust look and ignore you, or they will try to look for the nearest buff guy.”
Again – what if she’s not there to “pick up” and she can’t understand why you’re randomly talking to her.
Having said that, rudeness to someone who hasn’t been rude is not on.
“Try to make everyone “equal” within any society and watch it slide into the WORST that human beings and history has to offer.”
Yes, but you, apparently, would have us all striving to be beautiful and thin – and yet men here critcise women for (apparently) demanding that their men all be “perfect”, when you know you all aren’t.
Isn’t that hypocrisy? Aren’t you lucky women often have lower standards than many men?
“We are “supposed” to ignore this and “accept them” for who they are.. We are not supposed to say that the women that surround us are FAT and UGLY. If any of you guys DARE do this then be prepared for a Harassment complaint or even a Lawsuit.”
And if we women started to let men know how ugly and fat we think THEY are? (And what if we called them fat just ‘cos they weren’t skinny? Happens a lot to women)
Whatever happened to manners and common decency?
SO you want to abuse women for not being _your_ idea of perfect? Are black women your type? If not, will you call them “Niggers”?
You should listen to your mother sometime, even though you’re so much smarter than her because you know some big words.
I never said I was smarter than her, I was just suggesting she could do better than read purile, sensationalist sh*t…
Where is this feminised world, with pro-female style law courts, feminine power and superiority that you rejected chauvinist males talk about? I’d like a ticket there please!
I hope there is tickets enough left, because I imagine every woman on the planet would want one too – especially after reading how much we are hated by men!
I’m sure there in this feminine world, I would never need encounter harsh expectations of how I should look, think, feel, live – based on what men want, and that purely considers “masculinity” and perceived “p*nis size”, at the expense of my life.
Aussie Kim and Catharine, what you are saying is completely irrational. You are spewing the same dogma that every feminist spews at us. Why do you have such a problem with the fact that we want to marry Russian/Siberian wives? You need to stop spweing feminist mantra and speak in a logical, rational fashion. Otherwise, you have absolutely no business on this website.
“Where is this feminised world, with pro-female style law courts, feminine power and superiority that you rejected chauvinist males talk about? I’d like a ticket there please!”
Catherine, that feminized world is soon to be nowhere. GL and I and everyone else on this site are going to send feminism packing with its tail between its legs all the way back to the 1960′s where it came from.
Face it, we are going to win in the end. Look around you at all of the people on this website and all of the Russian/Siberian women that we have photos of. They are all on our side. These Russian/Siberian women are in touch with their true selves and their true femininity. We are also in touch with our true selves because we understand what true masculinity is.
If you had an eye that could see 200 years into the future, almost all of the women will be like these Russian/Siberian women here, and almost all of the men will be strong and resilient like us.
We are not rejected chauvanist males. You are rejected chauvanist females. We have rejected you, and are now going to Russia/Siberia to find REAL women.
–Luke Skywalker
Aussie Kim,
You’ve made a number of comments so I’m going to go down the line and address them in this post.
ONE
You are living in a DREAM WORLD if you believe that your appearance doesn’t matter for any job.
If you don’t like the hiring practices of that company..
Then why in the HELL would you still want to get in?
This is the classic “I’m a Poor Sorry Victim” Feminist LIE..
It COMPLETELY DIS-EMPOWERS Women and says..
“Poor Me.. Life is so unfair.. Mr. Jones won’t hire me because I’m not cute enough.. blah blah blah blah..”
So you decide to use your so called superior intellect and twisted sense of righteousness and scream bloody murder and to try to get the Government involved for your OWN Lack of Common Sense..
When all you had to do was one of the following..
1. Go someplace else..
2. Make yourself more presentable..
3. Start your own damn business and hire anyone you want..
You are so entrenched as a TYPICAL FEMINIST VICTIM that you Don’t even realize it.. and the worst part about it is that you actually think that’s normal..
Well I tell you what..
Please go ahead and continue to look the way you do and to complain about life as normal and let’s see how far you get..
Kim neither the World nor God himself gives a Rat’s Ass about your bitching.
You are a truly weak woman and the tragic thing is that you don’t even realize it because you are in such denial about how much of a “Strong Feminist” you are..
The GRAND Irony is that you are posting your complaints on your life as a Woman in a Blog about Russian Women who COMPLETELY Blow away your arguments with their very existence..
TWO
You bitch about life being so unfair.. and how you would never get to work on time if you had to do “an endless beauty routine” as you put it..
But when compared to the ladies I see here who undoubtedly have FAR MORE CHALLENGES THEN YOU and STILL do everything possible to stay beautiful.. YOU are just exposed for the SORRY and LAZY Excuse that you are..
THREE
The fact that you believe that you have to act like a Man’s mother to get him to do something means that you have completely lost your ability to motivate him.. Again you can thank your Feminist Dogma for this “gift”.
It’s obvious that you lack the beauty, class or charm to bring out the best in him and to motivate him to WANT to please you..
So because you’ve completely lost your “Invisible Power” as a Woman that you were born with and decide to act like a Man instead by telling him to get off his sorry “Arse”.
If your Man acts like a child most of it is your fault for treating him like one.. and that’s the best you will ever get in any relationship.. one sick mother to one sick little boy co-dependency that you are responsible for..
You are so deluded by this that you Actually BELIEVE the following statement you made..
“Of course, the idea is to just give up and do it yourself, which many women are doing nowdays – hence the plummeting marriage rate…”
Pretty twisted and warped thinking if you ask me in terms of your definition of cause and effect for the biggest crisis to hit the foundation of family in history.
When in fact you can’t admit that you are in a bad codependent relationship.
FOUR
Another Typical Feminist skill that you have is SPIN and SLANDER.
If a Man from Melbourne says that he sees more slim and attractive Asian Women then Australian Women.. you call him a “Racist Prat”.
Go right ahead Kim.. But just keep in mind that exposes you as the REAL BIGOT.. when all he was really pointing out was the SIZE of a woman and NOT her Race..
FIVE
Here’s more Gross SPIN and quite frankly STUPIDITY on your part..
“feminist want equal opportunities for everyone and any benefits that women get must be given to men too. we believe there’s no value in simply hating and oppressing the other side”
Well Kim the Communists wanted equal opportunities for every one too. The believe in brotherly and sisterly “comrade love” for their Socialist brethren.. sound like a great Utopian idea doesn’t it?
Other then the fact that Communism is responsible for over 100 Million murders (the greatest number in world history) in the 20th Century of people it deemed were enemies to it’s cause..
Communism pure and simple is State sanctioned theft, tyranny and murder on a Grotesquely HUGE LEVEL under the guise of what I consider to be the Most CORRUPTED and WARPED WORD in Human History which you love to use..
“Equality”
Theft, Tyranny, Murder..
Modern Feminism is 2 out of these 3 against Men..
Oh and by the way Communism started out with 2 out of 3 too..
It’s time for you to study your basic history Kim and wise up…
SIX
Another thing Communism AND Feminism was excellent at achieving was creating an atmosphere of complete mistrust and suspicion.. In this environment NO ONE could be trusted and everyone was a potential enemy..
You only verified that with your comments about the scenario of a Man trying to be social with a woman who runs the risk of having the cops called on him for no good reason.. You only verified that the dark ages of Feminism are here when you said..
“Well there are a lot of lunatics out there. How does she know you’re not one of them?”
SEVEN
“you, apparently, would have us all striving to be beautiful and thin ”
More “I’m a Victim of Men” SPIN which is actually a hidden form of Jealousy on your part.. So let me tell you how OBVIOUS you are making this seen by all of us..
You imply that Men are somehow negatively forcing Women to strive to be “beautiful and thin”.
Kim.. EXACTLY HOW do Men pressure woman to be thin and beautiful?
Do they put a gun to their heads?
Or do they simply decide not to sleep with them?
Well let me give you an education in FREE CHOICE..
Any man deciding not to sleep with a woman.. is NOT a form of oppressive pressure on her.. It is the direct consequence of her physical and character attractiveness or not. And the majority of this is something she has a great deal of leverage over. If this wasn’t the case then we wouldn’t have a healthy multi-billion dollar, cosmetics, fashion and fitness industry thriving today..
Obviously your Man is not “pressuring” you to be thin and beautiful.. because you’ve already openly admitted that you aren’t..
So your statement is classic “Passive Aggressive” JEALOUSY on your part Kim..
You know that you aren’t currently beautiful as you have said earlier.. so therefore in your mind women who look beautiful probably were “Pressured” by Men to be that way..
And I bet you just feel “Totally Liberated” in knowing that you aren’t one of those “Poor Girls” who have caved into that “pressure” now don’t you?
Please continue to use Whatever EXCUSE and form of DENIAL you need to get you through the day Kim.. I know it’s tough out there.. but don’t blame Men for it.. Take a look at yourself instead..
EIGHT
More Lovely Feminist Political Correctness
I know that the Truth can be painful and seem cruel Kim.. And of course all you Feminist want to bring “equality” to the world to try to eliminate whatever painful Truth’s there are..
Like the words.. Fat or Ugly..
But in reality Lies and Spin are MUCH More Crueler..
Any engineer knows that you can’t fix a problem if you aren’t truthful about what the problem is in the first place..
Yes hearing the words Fat or Ugly I agree can be painful. But it can also be a great potential motivator to change as well if that is desired.. And if you wish to remove the motivator of truth for people then you are the one who is truly being cruel..
No matter how “nice” you want this world to be.. you will never be able to do one thing to remove those words from any language on earth.. try it and you will only make the words that much more prevalent..
Why you may ask?
Because the words UGLY and FAT always reflect a part of life that’s absolutely true..
You know it and I know it.. and don’t ever deny that you’ve never used those words yourself.. because your criticism of these words only shows off your own hypocrisy..
There are times to be gentle and diplomatic with people.. and there are times not to be.. and yes I agree that to be diplomatic is preferable but only when the company you are with deserves it with a reciprocal show of respect and tact..
And by the way I’m more then capable of playing nice with you Kim.. but I won’t.. because you haven’t come into my home as a proper guest and done the same now have you?
NINE
The easiest way to know if any movement it dying and outdated is to listen to HOW OLD the excuses are that it uses are in justifying it’s cause..
Feminism is a perfect example of this especially when you get these older Feminists screaming injustices it primarily relies on that are from the 19th Century. For example when Women were gaining the right to vote or when childbirth mortality rates were high by today’s standards because of lack of medical know how.
In other words Kim..
Is that all you’ve got left to justify your currently worthless cause?
What year is it today?
Last time I checked it was 2007 right?
When movements like Feminism and Communism gets old the ONLY WAY it can survive is to create NEW ENEMIES in order to scare it’s members into continued support.
It’s no different from a Cancer or a Virus that can only survive by consuming it’s host until the whole body dies.. And when the system collapses everyone will remember that you.. Kim from Melbourne was an active supporter and collaborator in it..
Nice legacy to have for your life eh?
Kind of like the old homeless communist guys walking around here who have nothing left in their lives except the outdated and trinket medals they wear on their worn out suits. Medals that get pawned off for a few bucks at the local train station for visitors who want to buy a souvenir from the glorious old USSR days..
Poor guys.. they still believe in pushing 18th Century Karl Marx teachings to their grandchildren who aren’t listening to them because of the iPods they have glued to their ears..
What medal will you have to wear when you get old?
So Kim.. Care to come back again for round two?
If you do.. then this should be fun..
You see from my vantage point surrounded with the Women that I see on a daily basis here.. NONE of your tired old Feminist Arguments based on narcissism and laziness hold up..
There is an entire population of Women here who outclass you and your fellow Feminists in every conceivable dimension as a woman..
And the amazing thing about it is that they usually don’t say a word about themselves and don’t expect any huge levels of compliments in return.
Care to hold up yourself and your fellow feminist to more comparisons?
Would love for you to do it..
GL
Hi Catherine..
I assume you are from a Western country like the US, Canada, Australia, NZ or the EU.. if so.. then you are already living on that planet..
If you don’t believe me.. try living in Russia for a while..
GL
Oh by the way ladies..
You can thank “Feminist Empowerment” for this..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16691386/
Because it sure as hell didn’t come from us Men..
“Why do you have such a problem with the fact that we want to marry Russian/Siberian wives?”
I don’t. Please show me the quote when I said such a thing.
You guys have AMAZING imaginations…
“So you decide to use your so called superior intellect and twisted sense of righteousness and scream bloody murder and to try to get the Government involved for your OWN Lack of Common Sense..”
What the…?????!!!!
SO you think it’s ok that less qualified people with less talent and less ability to actually get a job done and be an asset to a company get jobs ahead of people who can DO THE JOB just ‘cos they’re cute?
Wow. What idiot would marry you? You are a brainless pig, whatever gender you are (and are bringing shame to)
“2. Make yourself more presentable..”
???????????
Who says I’m not presentable? I dress well, smell nice and wear makeup. I don’t even wear trousers, but skirts all the time.
I’m just not Miss Universe. (like 99.99999% of the planet)
I would NOT expect someone to be hired ahead of me if I was more qualified.
But then I’m from Australia – you guys are probably from America – a country that claims to be a democracy in which everyone is free and equal and treated well…which is the world’s biggest JOKE. I don’t blame you for running to another country, yours is shit.
““feminist want equal opportunities for everyone and any benefits that women get must be given to men too. we believe there’s no value in simply hating and oppressing the other side”
Well Kim the Communists wanted equal opportunities for every one too. The believe in brotherly and sisterly “comrade love” for their Socialist brethren.. sound like a great Utopian idea doesn’t it? ”
My god – you’re sick. You don’t WANT equality and rights for men????
What the flying f*** is wrong with you?
I’m not telling you to stop working, what _I_ want is that women AND men have, for example, self-determined flexibility in the workforce, so that people can choose to spend more time with their children, instead of being a wage-slave 20 hours a day, 7 days a week for 30 years and never seeing their kids, etc…_I_ want good health care for everyone along with education and the ability to make informed choices all the way through people’s lives.
Sound so terrible?
“The easiest way to know if any movement it dying and outdated is to listen to HOW OLD the excuses are that it uses are in justifying it’s cause..”
That’s exactly right – men have been using the SAME OLD EXCUSES for CENTURIES to keep women “in their place”.
When will YOU learn?
“Because the words UGLY and FAT always reflect a part of life that’s absolutely true..”
True – and how many conversations on the net have you witnessed where women sit around complaining about fat, ugly men?
Almost never?
No – because it’s only men who behave in such a way, and then cry like babies when women stick up for themselves.
WOW. Just .. wow.
When I first read this article, I never imagined that I would witness them turning ugly right before my very eyes! I feel truly privileged!
“NONE of your tired old Feminist Arguments based on narcissism and laziness hold up..”
ME narcissistic? YOU are the one trying to prove you’re Mr Superior and Mr Correct.
All I’m trying to say is that fat, ugly women have talents and shouldn’t be overlooked for jobs when they are the most qualified. I also believe that ALL people’s lives should be improved by being given more self-determination and and by having better health and more relaxation in this crazy world.
Define “ugly” by the way. I just mean “not good looking”. Dressing badly, having bad habits and/or being repulsive is something else.
“Feminism is a perfect example of this especially when you get these older Feminists screaming injustices it primarily relies on that are from the 19th Century. For example when Women were gaining the right to vote or when childbirth mortality rates were high by today’s standards because of lack of medical know how.”
U-huh. Do you know what one of George Bush’s first action were when he became “prez-e-dent”?
He cut off funding to charities that provided health care to women in 3rd-world countries because they “might” have been providing these women with abortions.
!!!!!
SO many women COMPLETELY lost health care provision and doctors, etc. WOW – that certainly did a LOT for health care and birth rates and survival rates for babies and women, didn’t it?
Good one mate – you just stay inside your little bubble while people keep dying. You keep whining ‘cos a few crazy feminists are louder than the moderates and are making it into the media…you wanna make a difference – become a politician and make a difference! (Or you could VOTE, unlike most of America…)
“Look around you at all of the people on this website and all of the Russian/Siberian women that we have photos of. They are all on our side.”
Awwww – how nice. Are they going to invade us? Is there an army? SHould we be afraid?
(wtf???)
“These Russian/Siberian women are in touch with their true selves and their true femininity. We are also in touch with our true selves because we understand what true masculinity is.”"
No you don’t. If you did, you wouldn’t even need to be making such a comment AND wouldn’t even need to be here on this blog. You come here to justify yourselves and each other’s badly hidden insecurities. I came here for an interesting chat (AND the guy who owns the blog invited a bunch of us to come here) but you guys a here for mutual masturbation…
“Please go ahead and continue to look the way you do and to complain about life as normal and let’s see how far you get..”
Who was complaining? I have a great life – full time job that I love, a great boyfriend, great friends, music, dancing, fun, language studies, a world trip coming up soon…
Nah – I’m getting far, but you’re getting whiney.
I’m off – you are too pathetic to keep arguing with. And no – do NOT say “oh look at the little feminist running away like a little girly coward – I’ve had arguments with loonier than you (Pakistani anti-feminist men are scarier than the likes of ewe) and it all gets a little boring.
Well – have a good time trying to justify your poor widdle selves, instead of living your lives and getting on with it, and do try NOT to dilute the beauty of the local gene-pool too often, else the next generation of men trying to escape the Good Ol’ Wild West might not have much to look forward to. (OMG – was I just illuding to UGLYness? Shame on me! A nice girl NEVER says such a thing. It’s only the MEN who are allowed to call people names, isn’t it?)
“And who sends these men to war? – Other men.”
Did I call that one, or what!
(Ever hear of Indira Ghandi, Golda Meir, Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, etc. etc.? Anyone? Bueller?)
Good,
Now that this feminist is going to be gone, we can get back to the usual (good) stuff.
Oh, look at the little feminist running away like a little girly coward! I’m glad that particular “swoop and squat” is done. And the harpie flies back off to her tree to sharpen her little claws.
Nah — I bet she’s still lurking here. She can’t help herself. She obviously doesn’t have much else going on in her life. People that bitter and hateful live only to find someone to vomit all over.
You said it Craig.
Oh look at the little feminist running away like a little girly coward!!
Everyone on the site should say that to her.
Aussie Kim,
From now on I’m going to call you by your real name “Socialist Kim”..
Because after reading all of your rants that is obviously what you are.
You can see no other solution then to promote more government control, laws and spending which is a dead end and weakens a society to the point of collapse. Don’t believe me?
Why don’t you do us all a favor and stop talking about Russia or Russian Women because you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Instead I DARE you to come to Russia or any ex-Soviet Republic and see with your own eyes what a legacy of Socialism does to a society.
Feel like a nice vacation in Cuba, North Korea, or Angola as well?
You are so much the stereotypical loud mouthed Cindy Sheenan clown that it hurts just to “hear” your shrill “I can’t think for myself so I need to regurgitate Liberal Dogma and blame Men and especially George Bush for all of the evil in the world.”
My God is that all you’ve got in your brain? What a JOKE..
Socialist Kim.. Your very presence and your various random and illogical rants are TOTAL PROOF for the Men reading this Blog that most Western Women have fallen off the wagon of common sense and into the complete insanity of Feminism. The wild thing is that you actually think your a moderate..
Because being the Typical Feminist and Socialist that you are…
Whenever you are clearly losing a debate you have to “try” to throw some other un-related issue into the fire that usually has nothing to do with the initial point..
It’s the only way Womyn like you can fight..
Throw crap on the wall and see what sticks..
Well every class has a clown.. and if you want to be it then please go right ahead.. I won’t stop you from looking more like a shrill Socialist Idiot who keeps on believing that Utopia is just around the corner if we can just get this one little law passed or if we can just spend more money on things like education…
FYI the US has spent the greatest amount of money in “public education” (aka government schools) in the world.. and it’s still crap.. why? because governments totally suck at providing the basics for people and most of that money gets absorbed by the thieving bureaucrats who keep on urging tax payers to send more money to them ..
Think about this.. Why is the US University system the strongest in the World? Because almost NONE of it was started up or controlled by the government and it has a long history of being private (aka make money) and very competitive against each other.. They are good and attract paying students or they will fail and close their doors.
Here’s another thing to think about..
How many skyscrapers do you see in New York or Sydney?
How many of those skyscrapers were built by the Government?
Now how many do you see in Socialist Societies.. like Cuba, North Korea, or even Moscow for that matter?
(You starting to see the parallels between this and why Western Women are turning more towards Socialism and turning Ugly in the process?)
If ignorant feminist like you were in charge the world would be screwed.
Because we wouldn’t have a functional society to start with..
Do us all a favor and get out of your little save Socialist enclave and travel to the richest countries in the world.. and ask yourself HOW did they become that way? Then keep that in mind as you travel to any ex-USSR country and ask the same question..
If you do this then I will actually respect you for making the effort to open up your mind and separate the reality that you see from feminist and socialist identity that you have unfortunately invested much of your life into building. Because when that happens you will never see the truth.. You will just see what you want to fit your “I hate George Bush” adolescent character.. It’s like trying to have a logical discourse with a Suicide Bomber.. cause nothing you can say is going to change his decision to be a “glorious martyr” in his mind.
As you grow old I’m guessing that your identity will become even more fixed on this BS because that is all you will probably have left in your life..
Just keep on ranting about how unfair life is and why the Government needs to tell private businesses who to hire.. blah blah blah.. When the funny thing is that you don’t have guts that entrepreneurs have so you are either to afraid or lazy to go out and create your own business and hire anyone you want in order to prove your point… instead of whining about it..
Or in other words Socialist Kim..
Grow Up..
You look very strange coming into our house and trying to spread your garbage around.. I’m sure you would think strange thoughts of anyone who tried to do that in your residence..
Get It?
By the way..
Even Western Celebrities let themselves go to dog do do in public..
Amazing..
http://seehere.blogspot.com/2006/08/celebrities-without-makeup.html
Amazing is an understatement.
I never understood how Renee Zellweger became a movie star. Even when she looks her best, she still looks pretty bad.
I KNEW Kimmie was still lurking in the shadows. I love it when I’m right.
“If ignorant feminist like you were in charge the world would be screwed. Because we wouldn’t have a functional society to start with.. ”
Camille Paglia said, “If women ran the world we’d still be living in mud huts and wearing grass skirts.” Very fashionable grass skirts, of course.
Think about wimmin at their feminist conferences: They flew in a plane, safely, and/or drove on paved roads to get there. They sit in air-conditioned comfort, stuffing their faces with fresh healthy food. Then they get up and speak through a high-quality sound system, exercising the rights that MEN procured for them with their blood, to rant and rave about how evil men have screwed up the world.
Reminds me of the bumper sticker: “Don’t criticize farmers with your mouth full”
GL, I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you’re an admirer of Ayn Rand, like me.
Very perceptive of you Craig
Ayn Rand should be required reading to everyone along with Adam Smith and Thomas Sowell.
For some reason I don’t think too many liberal guys are attracted to this site.. And I guess that’s a good thing.
But RW_man, here is something that troubles me.
“Do us all a favor and get out of your little save Socialist enclave and travel to the richest countries in the world.. and ask yourself HOW did they become that way? Then keep that in mind as you travel to any ex-USSR country and ask the same question..”
But don’t you see RW_man, these rich countries arent beautiful and pristine anymore, and the women are not beautiful anymore like in the ex-USSR countries.
This is why I doubt the doctrines of Adam Smith, et. al. It seems that the poorer countries are still very beautiful and have beautiful women who are sweet and nice, and the rich countries have ugly feminist women and are polluted.
I would rather live in a poorer country where I would have to give up some material comforts if it meant that I would be able to have beautiful nature and beautiful feminine women than live in a richer country that is polluted and the women are feminists.
–Luke Skywalker
And now since I have responded to RW_man, I am going to respond to Socialist Kim:
Although I don’t like Ayn Rand or Adam Smith at all, I don’t like the socialist mantra that you are putting on this website, either.
Feminists are like little children. They have no real power besides what they can scare timid men in the government into giving them.
And if you can speak out against their mantra, then they don’t have very much power over you at all.
Feminists think that they are goddesses when they are ugly and fat. They have a sense of entitlement that sickens me. They are only capable of illogical ranting and raving.
I am going to move to Siberia to marry the girl of my dreams and there will be nothing that the feminists can do to stop me.
–Luke Skywalker
“A man who is not a socialist at 20 has no heart. And a man who is not a capitalist at 30 has no brain.”
- Winston Churchill?
“A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.”
- I have no idea
(And maybe a capitalist is a socialist whose country has been mugged? The personal is political – right, girlzzz?)
“Ayn Rand should be required reading to everyone along with Adam Smith and Thomas Sowell.”
But that would mean that some of the other greats of American literature would have to be shortchanged — like Maya Angelou..
If you want a classic quote re socialism:
“The welfare state neither demands, nor rewards, responsible behaviour.”
(author unknown)
Think about it.
It’s so true.
As for Stella’s comment about “women sleeping with each other” and not needing men. This new female/animal mentality is interesting. I am surprised that anyone would listen to this Stella thing. Stella, you can sleep with wmen if you like. Hope your yeast infection clears up. western women are savage animal things.
I agree that a lot of American women have become overbearing nags that have let themselves go, but American men are just as guilty as their female counterparts. Most of them are uneducated, overweight, and have low paying jobs to boot. Just like American women, what are they good for?
I have a bachelor’s degree in nursing. I have a good job that pays well. I own my own home. I am very physically fit (I go to the gym five days a week), as I am health conscious. I enjoy traveling because I love learning about history, architecture, foreign languages, cultures, etc. Like most of the men on this site, I will only date foreigners (of the male persuasion of course) as well. They’re physically fit, attractive, educated, well-traveled, great conversationalists, and they’re good in bed.
Although I am neither overweight or unattractive, I am probably the epitome of what you hate – a woman with standards. I work very hard to stay in shape and look the way that I do. I’ve also worked very hard to make it through university in order to have the well-paying job that I have. I want to be with a man who works just as hard to look good, and is just as educated as well.
The problem with most American men is they’ve been raised to believe that they’re entitled to a beautiful woman, even though most of them have nothing to offer in the way of looks, fitness, attractiveness, education, money, etc. And when those attractive women won’t bat an eye in their direction, they’re accused of being superficial bitches. Instead of you men going out and joining a gym and enrolling in university in order to become more educated and more attractive to the women you so desire, you’d rather be lazy and go find women abroad.
You’re hypocrites. You want women to accept you the way you are, and yet you won’t accept women the way they are. You hold them to high standards (physically fit, beautiful, sweet, educated), but you want them to lower their standards and accept you the way you are, even with all of your flaws (overweight, uneducated, unfit, unattractive, low paying job). That’s extremely hypocritical.
There is an attractiveness scale. Unlike men, women know where they fall on the attractiveness scale. It’s rare if you ever see an overweight, unattractive woman approach a physically fit, attractive male. Men, on the other hand, no matter how ugly and/or uneducated they are, will approach a woman that is way out of their league, because they think that they deserve women at the top of the scale. They’ll aim for the top, and when women of that caliber won’t accept their advances, they aim for the next level down. And they keep aiming until they reach a level on which the women will accept their advances. And by the time they’ve reached the level of females that will have them, they’ve usually become embittered, like most of the men on this site.
I’ve got news for you, if you’re feeling angry because you’re not getting the women you want, it’s because you have nothing to offer them. I suggest you enroll in university, change your diet, and start going to the gym five days a week. When you live up to the high standards that you want your women to live up to, that is when you’ll start attracting women of the caliber that you want.
If you’re too lazy to do this, then by all means travel abroad to find yourself a foreign woman. But don’t ever fool yourself into thinking that could or would ever fall in love with you for you. They want a ticket out of the country in which they live, and they think that you’re it.
Well,well,well. So who wants at the Feminazi first?
My hand is waving the hardest so, I’ll go…
Heh, Shelli! Congratulations for making so many comments borne of envy. You suck darlin’. And most of the really fine real men here will agree– hands down.
Let’s start off with the “hot” chick psyche that you’re into. In Russia, attractive is primarily seen as the purview of girls. Men are expected to simply be men who know how to treat a REAL girl.
“They want a ticket out of the country in which they live, and they think that you’re it.” Jesus, are you ever wrong about that. At this time especially, Russia is energy resource catapulting itself into the major player in the BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China–the newly emerging first world.
America is energy poor and paying its military to commandeer energy resources, trying to knee cap the newly emerging Russian behemoth, or face an economic catastrophe. But the balance of payout is resulting in some interesting paperwork and the new Russian-American dynamic.
In this first quarter, average Russian incomes have increased about 19%. Cities are booming with growth. When I have a closer look at the villages, I’ll comment about that.
But the result certainly more and more dispels your ignorant, arrogant media instilled myths. Most, the lion’s share of Russian girls, have absolutely no desire to leave Mother Russia. Thank God. And many of those who follow a beloved out of Russia, due to marital devotion, will return immediately should that relationship fail.
You are not only ignorant. You are arrogant. Another typical Feminazi trait. Heh, are you related to the *itch I spoke to in Canadian immigration? She’s too is tired of hearing men complain about Feminazi attempts to obstruct our happiness and envious as all get out that no-one will so much as cross the street for her, let alone change countries.
“I am probably the epitome of what you hate – a woman with standards.” No. You are a Feminazi. And what you call “standards” is really the Cult of Entitlement speaking. You think that men are supposed to grovel at your feet. Real men never grovel… sweetcums. Which is why you must “get yours” as a sex tourist.
Here’s a primer course on why I viscerally hate Feminazi’s like you.
http://www.mens-rights.net
You might actually be surprised regarding the type of girls “who ask me out here”. However, in spite of how attractive they are, I can’t imagine creating a child into this shale Feminazi cult.
Only 5 days a week? Too bad you can’t sweat out your attitude.
Me? I bench press 50% more than my body weight. I know. I’ve been slacking and that it should be more.
Better lovers in foreign men? Perhaps in your ignorance and arrogance you haven’t been paying attention to how Canadian men are internationally rated.
But if you read more thoroughly on this site, you’d see some references to sexual know-how which likely isn’t practiced by your “tourist hawks”. And yes, in this locale, I see lots of Feminazi tourists starving for some slam. It’s local joke on the island.
You contend that Western men are slobs who are overrating their appeal. Alright. This ought to fun. In your next tourist hunt, why not try out Russia. They have many extremely well-educated, well-off men in the cities. See how fast you never get a date with them.
Why? Because your freaking attitude is uglier than a can of crushed armpits. And because they’re accustomed to girls who outclass you on every level that matters to real men.
Want to join the Lonely Hearts Club of Disavowed Western Women living in Russia? Go ahead Hot Stuff. Take me up on my challenge.
And while you’re Feminazi butt is crashing all around you at your very alone table, I’ll be sitting smiling at my sweet girl who could write an encyclopedia about why I’m with her and not you.
It’s not that the real men on this site couldn’t have you if we wanted you. We simply refuse to lower “our” standards. Listen, I know that it’s probably all Greek to you; but, Real men el oh vee ee, love Real girls. For real girls we would slay dragons.
Good paying jobs? Want to know the longest standing argument I have with my Russian lawyer girl, who’s drop dead gorgeous by the way? I insist on my monetary plan, while she insists that spending the maximum time together and having a storybook romance is much more important.
“I’d rather be with you in a tent, than go on your crazy money making journeys.” Apparently someone forgot to tell her about “standards”. Which is another of the very significant reasons that today, finally, my property is being officially listed. And when it’s gone, so am I. And if it doesn’t move by mid-August I’m gone anyways.
Why? She is emotionally tormented by life away from me. This is something you will probably never know. Why? Because you have been trained to believe that men are your penis irrelevant lap dogs on a leash.
Imagine, a beautiful girl who’s own income probably surpasses yours, and who is near to emotional collapse because she wants me “that much”.
Stand your Feminazi butt in a crowd of Russian women. And see how many don’t go for you.
It is this class of feminine, cultured, educated, beautiful, slim as a shoelace, maternally wise, housewife devoted, sexually hotter than Texas pine tar, devotee of the Art of Femininity (I speak directly about my girl… ugly attitude) that body slams your bad attitude butt prostrate like an East Coast salmon fresh off a fisherman’s pitch fork.
And by the way, her dream is to be wife and mother. She, herself, earns in the top 1% in her own field. She’s a very smart cookie and exceptionally gifted in her field. But it’s nearly meaningless to her, relative to her life ambition to be a “lifetime” mother and wife.
Her career is not really her career. It’s a temporary stand-in until her real career kicks off.
And by “lifetime mother”, I mean a girl who knows how also to be a real mother. And not some strange xanthic ooze who drops off her progeny to StrangeCare where they learn emotional estrangement while its lips still cry out for its retarded mother’s breasts.
“I want to be with a man who works just as hard to look good, and is just as educated as well.” … Pray he never learns about Russian, South American or Asian girls…
“And by the time they’ve reached the level of females that will have them, they’ve usually become embittered”… Sounds to me like no Real men have been lucky enough to reach you where’s it’s already dead… See Russian girls for the Gold Standard and further explanation.
“If you’re too lazy to do this, then by all means travel abroad to find yourself a foreign woman.” … We don’t need your prompting, or haven’t you got the drift yet?
As for the lazy… if only you knew the hoops that Feminazi bureaucrats put in front of us on our personal quests to enduring and true happiness. Like I said, we’ll slay dragons for a life with a Real girl.
Butt you? Yes, you and your standards… You’re outclassed sweetie and so far off the mark that Elvis is leaving the building.
Piss off.
Period. Point-blank.
“Heh, Shelli! Congratulations for making so many comments borne of envy. You suck darlin’. And most of the really fine real men here will agree–hands down.”
How were the comments I made born of envy? I beg to differ. I am not jealous of you. I rather like being myself. I have a good sense of self-worth and self-confidence, which has enabled me to have a certain set of standards, not only for myself, but also for the people I surround myself with and/or choose to date.
If in fact I sounded envious at all in my previous statement, then that would mean what I said was true: Men want women of a certain calibre (good looks, physically fit, educated, devoted to their man, etc.), and they want those women to accept them flaws and all. Men are extremely critical of all aspects of a woman, so it’s only fair that women are allowed to be just as critical when it comes to men. And I’ll bet you disagree. And that’s the sexist in you.
I only hope that when you bring these wives of yours to North America they see that they’ve been gypped. Because of their good looks, physically fit bodies, educations, they realize that they can have a better looking man than the overweight, uneducated, unattractive men that flock to their countries to find wives that are out of their league. You claim that they’re the best, so they deserve the best.
“They want a ticket out of the country in which they live, and they think that you’re it.” Jesus, are you ever wrong about that. At this time especially, Russia is energy resource catapulting itself into the major player in the BRIC, Brazil, Russia, India and China–the newly emerging first world.”
These countries might be emerging players on the worldwide scene, but they’re rampant with corruption and crime, and most of the people still don’t live as well as we do in North America and western Europe. People are still trying to get out – especially from the old Eastern Bloc countries.
“You are not only ignorant. You are arrogant. Another typical Feminazi trait. Heh, are you related to the *itch I spoke to in Canadian immigration? She’s too is tired of hearing men complain about Feminazi attempts to obstruct our happiness and envious as all get out that no-one will so much as cross the street for her, let alone change countries.”
How is anyone obstructing your happiness, Canuck? I’m not stopping you. And I highly doubt that the woman you dealt with at Canadian immigration was holding you back. It’s red tape. Period. Most people have to wait months, even years to immigrate into or emigrate out of different countries. Believe me, if I had connections with the women you think are stopping you from getting out, so you can find women, I would ask them to bend the rules so you, and men like you, could go pronto.
“You are a Feminazi. And what you call “standards” is really the Cult of Entitlement speaking.”
The “Cult of Entitlement” of which you speak was started by men. From the time you were young, society told you that you should be accepted by gorgeous women, flaws and all. And that if they didn’t accept you just the way you are, they’re feminazi bitches.
When girls are little, they learn that it really isn’t what’s inside that counts. No matter how nice the fat or geeky girl is, the boys pass her by. Even the geeks, who are their male equivalents, would rather sit around and pine over the slender, popular, “attractive” girls, then start a friendship or even a relationship with the nerdy or fat chick. They just might have been happy, but they’re so inundated with the idea that they are entitled to having a beautiful woman on their arm, they won’t give it a chance.
And when those fat or nerdy girls grow up to be physically fit, well disciplined, health consious, intelligent women, and have both geeks and gorgeous men pining for their attention, they won’t give the geek the chance. That’s because long long ago, they learned that most men are superficial, and that they only want them for their physical appearance, so they might as well go for platinum – the gorgous man.
If a feminazi is the female equivalent of a male sexist, then yes, I am a feminazi. I’ve grown up seeing men get priviledges simply for being men, that I think both sexes should be entitled to.
If a man has a degree, a good career, goes to the gym at least five days a week, and is health consious, he deserves a woman of the same caliber. Likewise, if a woman has a degree, a good career, goes to the gym at least five days a week, and is health consious, she also deserves a man of the same caliber. Both the man and the woman earned that right.
“You think that men are supposed to grovel at your feet. Real men never grovel… sweetcums. Which is why you must “get yours” as a sex tourist.”
I concur. Real men never grovel, nor do real women. Any man that would grovel at my feet would do so because he had low self-esteem and was desperate. The same goes for any woman that would grovel at the feet of a man.
Me, a sex tourist? That’s laughable. I don’t know where you figured that I pay to go on sex tours from my having stated that I only date foreign men. And that’s because they take better care of themselves (health consious, physically fit), have better educations, are far more aware of the issues that are going on in the world, than most North American men are. I have never had to pay for sex. Men pay for sex – most women don’t. Sex tourism was invented by males for males. And sites with foreign women interested in marrying men from abroad were also created by men for North American or Western European men who have a hard time attracting women in general.
I actually wish I could bang every hot Francesco, Andreas, and Carlos I came across while traveling across Europe or South America. Unfortunately, I live in the day and age where Aids and other sexually transmitted diseases are rampant. It sucks because I don’t have to marry or sweet talk any of them into my bed. They give their “milk” away for free.
“But if you read more thoroughly on this site, you’d see some references to sexual know-how which likely isn’t practiced by your “tourist hawks”. And yes, in this locale, I see lots of Feminazi tourists starving for some slam. It’s local joke on the island.”
Again, I don’t travel to foreign places to fuck men, nor do I go on sex tours.
You slam the sexual prowess of foreign men, but overall I don’t think that Italian, Greek, Spanish, French, South American, or Carribean (Jamaican in particular) men would have a reputation for being great lovers if it weren’t true. I don’t see women, the world over, traveling to North America for some slam (as you so eloquently put it), but to the above mentioned locales. If the men they’ve encountered were any bit as wonderful as the guys I’ve dated, I can’t blame these women for doing what they’re doing.
My current boyfriend is a very fine English gentleman. We’ve been together for over six years now. I have also dated two Italians, one Spaniard, one Chilean, one Argentinian, and one Lebanese man, at different times in my life. I had wonderful experiences with all of them. Not only were they great lovers, they were cultured, educated, physically fit, well-mannered, adventurous, and so on a so forth. I enjoyed their company very much and I still do at times, as I continue to stay in contact with all of them, and still consider all of them my friends. My current boyfriend takes the cake though. He’s amazing.
“You contend that Western men are slobs who are overrating their appeal. Alright. This ought to fun. In your next tourist hunt, why not try out Russia. They have many extremely well-educated, well-off men in the cities. See how fast you never get a date with them.”
If Russia is full of well-educated, wealthy men, why are there so many dating sites with Eastern European women advertising that they’ll date or marry men from abroad? You say that the women have no desire to leave their country. So what is the appeal of having an overweight, undereducated, uncultured, etc., North American man as opposed to a well-educated, wealthy Russian man? Do they want you simply because, as you put it, you’re better in bed? I’m not going to slam sex, because it’s great, but if that’s all someone has to offer, it’s a stupid reason to marry them.
I’m inclined to believe that not only do these women want out of their country, but their men are so second rate that overweight, uneducated, uncultured North American men look like gods in comparison. That’s disturbing. Although I will travel to Moscow and St. Petersberg at some point in my life, I won’t be dating any Russian men anytime soon.
If you know what’s good for you, you’ll stay in the country of your internet bride upon marrying her. Because if you bring her back here, not only will she see that, because of her physical attractiveness, she can trade you in for a much better looking, well-educated, physically fit man, who will probably make more money, and give her great sex to boot.
“And while you’re Feminazi butt is crashing all around you at your very alone table, I’ll be sitting smiling at my sweet girl who could write an encyclopedia about why I’m with her and not you.”
All alone at my table? It wouldn’t bother me in the least. I’ve never wanted to get married or have children, so being alone has always been the plan for me. I happen to enjoy my own company. And when I feel like having people about, I’m lucky in that I have a wonderful family, and great friends as well, who will spend time with me.
She could write an encyclopedia about why you’re with her and not me? I’m sure you’ve already gotten a headstart on a couple of the volumes for her. And I’m sure that you’ll have her read your words back to you, so she can recite how wonderful you are, and how lucky she is to have you, and she’s lucky that you chose her, and so on and so forth.
“It’s not that the real men on this site couldn’t have you if we wanted you. We simply refuse to lower “our” standards. Listen, I know that it’s probably all Greek to you; but, Real men el oh vee ee, love Real girls. For real girls we would slay dragons.”
Judging from the profanity laced, immature, grammatically incorrect, spelling mistake ridden posts I have read on this site, I’m willing to bet that most of the men on here are unattractive, embittered men who would therefore never have a chance with me.
“I’d rather be with you in a tent, than go on your crazy money making journeys.” Apparently someone forgot to tell her about “standards”. Which is another of the very significant reasons that today, finally, my property is being officially listed. And when it’s gone, so am I. And if it doesn’t move by mid-August I’m gone anyways.”
“Why? She is emotionally tormented by life away from me. This is something you will probably never know. Why? Because you have been trained to believe that men are your penis irrelevant lap dogs on a leash.”
“Imagine, a beautiful girl who’s own income probably surpasses yours, and who is near to emotional collapse because she wants me “that much”.
She’s emotionally tormented by life away from you? Wow, that’s not saying very much about your girl in the way of her mental health. Actually, I’ll bet that she’s perfectly fine away from you. She’s got her career and her family. I think you are the one that’s emotionally tormented being away from her. She’s probably the first attractive woman that would ever consider dating you, and you’ve just got to be with her. It’s amazing how appearance oriented the human species is.
And no, I don’t think that the penis is an irrelevant thing. I happen to love it. As for the man that it’s attached to, if I’ve accepted him into my circle of friends, it’s because I like him. And I wouldn’t ever treat him like he was nothing more than an object at my beck and call. That’s not what friends or lovers do.
“And by the way, her dream is to be wife and mother. She, herself, earns in the top 1% in her own field. She’s a very smart cookie and exceptionally gifted in her field. But it’s nearly meaningless to her, relative to her life ambition to be a “lifetime” mother and wife”
I’ve never understood those who have made it their life ambition to be tied down by marriage and/or parenthood. Life is so short. There are so many things to see and do out in this great, wide, wonderful world. My life’s ambition is to know that I’m doing everything that they’ve set out to do, I’m doing things my way, and that I can truly say that I’m living life to the fullest. Well, to each his/her own.
“And by “lifetime mother”, I mean a girl who knows how also to be a real mother. And not some strange xanthic ooze who drops off her progeny to StrangeCare where they learn emotional estrangement while its lips still cry out for its retarded mother’s breasts.”
I agree with this statement. I think that couples that choose to have children should agree that one of the parents should stay at home and raise the children. Unfortunately, the cost of living has increased so much that it’s next to impossible.
“I want to be with a man who works just as hard to look good, and is just as educated as well.” … Pray he never learns about Russian, South American or Asian girls…”
I don’t think I’m the one that needs to be praying. If these Russian, South American, and Asian women suddenly start having the men I like vying with you for their attention, you’ll be out of luck. You’ll never be able to compete with them. They’re educated, physically fit, attractive, well-mannered, cultured, and so on and so forth. And you’ll never have a chance, just like you never had a chance with the women in your own countries.
By the way, the foreign men I’ve dated like North American woman. They like that we don’t agree with everything they say. They like that we’re opinionated. They also like our sexual prowess. We’re good in bed.
“And by the time they’ve reached the level of females that will have them, they’ve usually become embittered”… Sounds to me like no Real men have been lucky enough to reach you where’s it’s already dead… See Russian girls for the Gold Standard and further explanation”
On the contrary, only real men that are on my level, have been with me.
“If you’re too lazy to do this, then by all means travel abroad to find yourself a foreign woman.” … We don’t need your prompting, or haven’t you got the drift yet?”
Yes, you do need my prompting, because most of you men are still on this site posting. Just go already. You’ve said it yourself, you’re with a wonderful girl from Russia. You don’t have to put up with North American women anymore. You’re supposed to be happy. Yet, you are still bitching and complaining about women that you no longer have to put up with. Go. I give you my best wishes.
It’s funny, because women are always told that they’re bitchy, catty, and that they complain too much. I’ve seen quite the opposite on this site. If it weren’t for all anti-female rhetoric, I would’ve thought most of you to be women.
“As for the lazy… if only you knew the hoops that Feminazi bureaucrats put in front of us on our personal quests to enduring and true happiness. Like I said, we’ll slay dragons for a life with a Real girl.”
Again, it’s red tape. Again, most people have to wait months, even years to immigrate into or emigrate out of different countries. I don’t think that it’s just female politicians that make these rules, there are men that stand by them as well. Again, believe me, if I had connections with the women you think are stopping you from getting out so you can find women, I would ask them to bend the rules so you, and men like you, could go pronto.
“Butt you? Yes, you and your standards… You’re outclassed sweetie and so far off the mark that Elvis is leaving the building.”
Well, I was never an Elvis fan anyway, so I’m not crying. Nor is anyone else, for that matter. Well, except you Russian girlfriend that “can’t live without you.” Lol
“Piss off.”
What great manners you have… You mother must’ve been one of the many feminazis that permeate North America to have raised such a profanity spewing deliquent such as yourself.
I honestly hope that that all of the men on this site do meet wonderful women abroad, and that you’ll be happier.
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a visit to your fine website
I suggest you don’t let them
polute and destroy it. free
speach is one thing but hate
is everywhere-beware.
Hello Shelli!
I was intrigued by your comments here, as they confirm so much of what I have experienced with North American women .. I’m grateful that your words are now out there for others visiting this site to read and ponder.
Your are of course free to do whatever you wish with your life and I do defend that right. Whether I agree or disagree with it!
I want to identify myself as a North American man who has recently emigrated to the former FSU. And whom is enjoying it immensely! Further, I am in excellent condition as athletics has always been a big part of my life.
Let me remark upon the most profound ( to myself ) parts of your comments here.
The most striking feature is your obsession with ” equality “.
You are not alone in this view. I would suggest that a vast majority of N.American women subscribe simlarily. The problem is , that despite your indoctrination, men and women are NOT equal and never will. Your words seeth with the tension of not having , or rather desiring to obtain, all that men have or can do. Be careful what you wish for!
You know what’s the most striking feature of the women here Shelli? Put aside for the moment the ratio of slim & attractive women here is about at least 5 to 1 compared to the west. It’s that they’re happy. One of the most strikingly obvious differences I noticed was just walking down the street and observing ladies smiling ( not scowling ) , happily hugging and embracing their friends both men and women. Aren’t these supposedly dirt poor ladies distressed by their lack of material gain? Their restrictions in travel? Care to analyze that one Shelli?
I can smile at a woman, any woman, and they will smile back happily and continue on in a very feminine manner. Compare that to North America where the indoctrination has taught ladies to fear and detest unknown men who approach or interact in any manner. Why is that Shelli?
You may be an attractive woman who is highly educated and fit. All good. Your words paint a picture of riding the wave of your success at this time in your life.
How many times have I seen this same scenario acted out over and over again!? You will age whether you believe it or not, your relative value on the dating market will fall, and it is very likely that you will be totally unprepared for it. Totally. While you are out enjoying your life and playing, that very limited time you have to secure a mate and have a child will slip away from you. While you have stated you don’t want children but I doubt your attitude will stay the same in the future. This movie is in endless re-run amongst the western women I knew in my life.
So there are two very negative results from your current decisions and inability to see the longer term big picture. One, you will not get to have a family .. something that will cause you great grief in your later years ( unless you quickly change your goals). Deny as you will, having seen this show before, I will feel free to ignore your denials. Two, your selfishness of the ” cult of one ” will help destroy your country as you know it. The demographic results of the low population replacement rates in western countries will ensure that women that follow you will not have the same choices or quality of life you fortunately had. I’m sure they will thank you for that.
You also have this fervent belief that the men coming here and at home are unattractive. Don’t have a chance with the women in their own countries you state. Completely incorrect.
What is going on is that men that travel see with their own eyes the substantial differences between women here and their own nation. Despite indoctrination, men want feminine women. Not just attractive. Sure they’ll line up to f and c a hot girl. But the ladies generally are not relationship material.
Any man that has assembled any wealth will have learned from observation that having a relationship with western women can endanger this. And his mental health and physical health. They have watched their friends and fathers hit with divorce and lose most everything they have. The rampant false accusations which reveal the sorry state of morals today. The 1 in 2 chance of getting a very serious STD from these same women.
I’m going to give you a brief glimpse of my relations with the ladies here. I’ve found it to be no problem getting “dates” ( yes, in the traditional formal manner long dissolved in N. America )here.
However, if I show any tendency AT ALL to be anything but upright and forthcoming my ass gets dumped immediately. Somehow that doesn’t correlate with desperate!
Hope my words have enlightened you.
My wish is that I have offered you some words of wisdom and insight that you may wish take some time to reflect upon.
Wow, Shelli has given me a lot of food for thought! Junk food, that is. Where shall I begin?
“Most of them are uneducated, overweight, and have low paying jobs to boot.”
MOST of them? And where did you get that statistic?
“I will only date foreigners (of the male persuasion of course) as well. …they’re good in bed.”
But you claim you’re not a sex tourist, so how would you know?
“The problem with most American men is they’ve been raised to believe that they’re entitled to a beautiful woman, even though most of them have nothing to offer in the way of looks, fitness, attractiveness, education, money, etc.”
Nonsense. Interchange the words “man” and “woman” in that paragraph, and you’ll get the truth. Everywhere I look, I see good-looking, educated, wealthy men dating overweight, middle-aged women. Rarely do you see the reverse in this country.
“And when those attractive women won’t bat an eye in their direction, they’re accused of being superficial bitches.”
That’s because, first of all, women can’t say “no” with kindness and appreciation. It’s not enough for them to reject a guy-they have to make the guy feel like shit in the process. Second of all, while those women won’t bat an eye at a decent, fit man with a good job, they’ll chase after and screw every bad-boy thug in a 10-mile radius.
“…you’d rather be lazy and go find women abroad.”
You call that LAZINESS? Do you know how much work it takes to go abroad to find a good woman? The lazy guys are the ones who would rather stay here and settle for some revolting skank like you who makes Jabba the Hut look like Karen Carpenter by comparison.
“You’re hypocrites. You want women to accept you the way you are, and yet you won’t accept women the way they are. You hold them to high standards (physically fit, beautiful, sweet, educated), but you want them to lower their standards and accept you the way you are, even with all of your flaws (overweight, uneducated, unfit, unattractive, low paying job). That’s extremely hypocritical.”
Again, you can correct that statement by interchanging the genders.
“There is an attractiveness scale. Unlike men, women know where they fall on the attractiveness scale. It’s rare if you ever see an overweight, unattractive woman approach a physically fit, attractive male.”
RARE?? What have you been smoking? I guess that, being a nurse, you have access to all sorts of drugs that alter your reality.
“And by the time they’ve reached the level of females that will have them, they’ve usually become embittered, like most of the men on this site.”
There’s a difference between bitterness and righteous anger.
OK, now on to Shelli’s second post:
“I rather like being myself. I have a good sense of self-worth and self-confidence,”
Then what do you care what us guys think? Why do you have to spend hours posting messages here? Why not just ignore us? Don’t you have anything better to do?
“Believe me, if I had connections with the women you think are stopping you from getting out, so you can find women, I would ask them to bend the rules so you, and men like you, could go pronto.”
Then why are you trying to DISCOURAGE us from going abroad to find wives, by telling us that foreign women are only gold-digging green-card hunters who will dump us for better men the instant they set foot on U.S. soil?
“And when those fat or nerdy girls grow up to be physically fit, well disciplined, health consious, intelligent women,”
Actually, what happens much more often is that the beautiful, slim young girls devolve into fat, prematurely old slobs by the time they’re 24.
“I’ve never wanted to get married or have children, ”
Yeah, what good are kids? All they would do is love you for the rest of your life. Besides, kids require you to make sacrifices. I’ll bet you’ve never made a sacrifice to help another person in your life.
“Judging from the profanity laced…posts I have read on this site”
You’ve used the f word at least once.
“I’ve never understood those who have made it their life ambition to be tied down by marriage and/or parenthood. Life is so short. There are so many things to see and do out in this great, wide, wonderful world. My life’s ambition is to know that I’m doing everything that they’ve set out to do, I’m doing things my way, and that I can truly say that I’m living life to the fullest. Well, to each his/her own.”
Yes, let’s ALL be selfish! Do things YOUR way! Take care of numero uno!! To Hell with the rest of the world!
“I think that couples that choose to have children should agree that one of the parents should stay at home and raise the children. Unfortunately, the cost of living has increased so much that it’s next to impossible.”
Of course you couldn’t possibly lower your standard of living, could you? You’d just die without a new car every year and a house the size of Graceland.
“I don’t think I’m the one that needs to be praying.”
Shelli, you desperately need to turn to God. You’re on an express train to Hell and Satan is laughing his ass off.
“What great manners you have…”
Now if that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black, then I don’t know what is. You even make Larry the Cable Guy look like a perfect gentleman by comparison.
In conclusion, Shelli, I would like to say that if you MUST type up these long-winded posts, at least make them interesting and original. Read some of Wonderlander’s essays; you could learn a lot. Now there’s a woman who’s earned our respect.
A case in point of the different planets on which live the Feminazi’s and those divine creatures of Eurasia…
Today when I began to speak to my girl, she opened with, “Thank you for agreeing to get me this gift of laurastar. You do want me to have more time to …. don’t you and to look beautiful too? yes?”
And with that I said hello to some Swiss super duper ironing system and goodbye to a few thousand dollars. Hell, my previous Western girl didn’t even iron unless someone died or was getting married.
How incredible is that? I mean think about it. Not only irons; but, has already dreamed about ironing with some marvel freak Swiss machine. Unbelievable.
I promise, no animals were harmed in the production of this Soviet future housewife’s dream of the fanciest fresh pressed system.
And she actually believes that she used charm to “get her woman’s way”. Is this incredible or what?
It’s almost scary how deeply goes this attachment to “housewife”. How can this be?
Beautiful, hotter than the fire in your woodstove, feminine, cooks, devoted, etc., etc. and she “‘manipulates’ me with such sweet honey” that I could only laugh when I saw that “she” was trying to get from me what I thought I could never ask of “her”.
Absolutely amazing. I’m sure that agreeing to get this for her is breaking some Feminazi law. But I’m confident that I won’t be extradicted for it.
At least that’s the plan…
Carry on…
Oh, I should also tell more about this strange creature, the real girl syndrome reported to exist in Eurasia.
Please do not attempt this at home. It is the express domain of professionally crazed Canucks or real men on naturally occurring endorphins…
Ok. So, first y’all know that I have an eville sense of humour, yes?
Ok. So, for sometime we’ve been engaged with a plan to marry relatively soon after reuniting.
Enter Mr. Eville. So, I tell her that I’m considering the wisdom of not doing this dive before six months of an in-house run. (I really am twisted. I admit it.)
Now lately, she’s in this super housewife mode.
Yet another example…
When I arrive, I arrive to our apartment. She’ll give me time to recoup and will wait at her mother’s until I’ve unravelled the jetlag thing for a half day or so.
So, she begins to ask me if it’s alright with me if she leaves some homemade food on the counter for when I arrive at the apt.? She tells me about this delicious Russian food which makes my bachelor sandwich I’m eating at the time seem like some primitive invention. She actually asks me if I will eat it, like this is a trick question…
The new apartment is totally new. Nonetheless, she’s been giving it a thorough wipe down and antiseptic inspection. And then she asks me if I like that she likes a clean home. The kind where she even cleans the freaking ceiling and the walls of the newly finished apartment for God’s sake. Another trick question?
She’s already had some friends pitch in with appliance shifting and furniture moving. Why? “Because she wants to make our home cozy.” What?
Yes, this whole cold feet on the marriage thing is producing some very odd responses. Earlier I tried to figure out why all the PMS-like behaviour. Now, apparently she’s decided “rise to the challenge” and sell me on the idea of “Sweetie the Vunderhousewife”.
Now keep in mind, she’s gorgeous, professionally educated, ultra-feminine, cultured, smart as a whip, very sweet in the very sweet way, knows things about motherhood which I’m sure come from some secret Russian society, is the kind of devoted I’ve never seen in the West(beautiful or not beautiful), cries on the phone until I calm her that I’m really, really arriving, dresses like she’s a match to the fire in my heart, is an expert belly dancer(yes, you read right Gungadin), tells me about strange Russian rituals designed to keep away bad spirits and energy from “her” family, and so on and so on.
I almost feel guilty. Alright. Not guilty. But definitely eville.
What’s the saying, “Get more with honey than vinegar?” Already my house design has been altered and I like it even better. My choice of auto has been altered and I like it even better. No really.
And she’s crazy about moi, me. No really. Yes, really. And yes, I am eville.
Congratulations Canuck, I hope to follow you relatively soon.
As for Shelli, Everything that she has said or implied, is pretty well everything that I despise in a woman, female, feminazi, etc. I only know one North American female that I would wish to date, and it has much more to do with her attitudes and character that apperance. Enough about that.
Every other female creature that I know of the human species here has this crazy sense of entitlement.
Even those that say they accept men as they are, they still try to manipulate you into changing. If you don’t change as they like, they either become abusive, or break it off in the cruelist possible manner, or take everything that they can, or all of the above.
If I go to a personalls site, and I see these words in the profile, “I dont’ need a man, I just want to have a good time,” I leave the profile immediately because danger bells, alarms, and flashing red lights are going off in my head.
Now, Shelli, you shoudl stop reading her and go shave your legs with a straight razor. Just remember to sharpen it. What I”m about to say will blow your mind, and might send you to the mental ward.
Love is not just a feeling, it’s a choice. You choose every day to love your partner. Not only that, they compliment and complete you. It’s two halves that make a whole. She is strong where you are weak, and you are strong where she is weak. Those kinds of halves make the whole very strong.
It is interesting to see that many Russian woman say in their profiles that they are looking and waiting eagerly for their second half. They want to give their love to someone, and be loved in return. They also see a marriage as being equal, but each with different responsibilities for each.
The whole western feminazi idea of equality is crazy to say the least. Women here demand, threaten, cheat, backstab, etc. to get what they want.
Interesting case in point. I was attending a Christian youth conference this May, and this girl I had only seen once, and never met before come up to me, and brazenly told me that I was going to buy her these cd’s that she was holding, because she didn’t have enough money.
I told her no.
She demanded again in the threatening tone.
I told her no, and two of my friends that were there and my sis came over and backed me up as I simply told her to get away from me.
She just didn’t want to give up. She pulled back a fist in the threatening manner.
My friend that was there said that the first punch would hit me, but that I probably wouldn’t hesitate to send her to the hospital if she did.
She backed down and left. It was a good thing that one of my friends standing back a ways video recorded it. She went to the police, and the video got all of us off the hook, and her in a lot of trouble.
Needless to say, I’m thinking that I’ll go to Russia or Ukraine as soon as I can afford to live there for a while. I’m sick of all the crap that I get from women here.
Oh, BTW Shelli, If you’re still not comatose from the shock of reading this, I’m 5’9″, now, and slim 180 lbs, my work pays well, I’m fit, and very smart. (Most people that go to university get a degree to excuse the stupid vomit words that are always spewing out of their mouths, and then use the degree to say they’re right, when what they say has no sense. Common sense and an active, imaginative mind are much more useful and entertaining.)
Excellent. We’re on…
“How is anyone obstructing your happiness, Canuck? I’m not stopping you. And I highly doubt that the woman you dealt with at Canadian immigration was holding you back. It’s red tape.”
I go to Russia, which is minus the RED tape of the West, so that I can gain and do what I am not legally allowed to do in your advanced[read suppressive] West.
She is not allowed, under Canadian, American and generally Western law to do here in the Freedom loving, tell it to your momma West, what I can correspondingly do there.
And you contend that this is simple RED tape? YES. RED. Very RED. As in Feminazi RED.
“How were the comments I made born of envy? I beg to differ.” (“I am not jealous of you.” I didn’t say, jealous. I said envy.)
Just my happiness, sweetcums. But I’ll help you here, as I can see that your generally happy attitude is clouding your ability to think clearly…
I was referring to envious of “her”.
Little fat girl, she’s never been fat in her life. Never. Although when noticed that she gained a whopping 2 kilos, she immediately hired a personal trainer and ate the weight in less than half his projected timetable. Wow. A full 2 keys. Major catastrophe, yes?
Does this mean she can call herself your sister and chow down on some burgers washed back with a barrel of Hagen Dass?
Aw, for the good old days…
“I have a good sense of self-worth and self-confidence…”
So, then why do your fellow Feminazi’s delete our comments from your sites? Hmmm? frightened little legion of Fembots.
‘”“Piss off.”’
“What great manners you have… You mother must’ve been one of the many feminazis that permeate North America to have raised such a profanity spewing deliquent such as yourself.”
Please, in your next life come back as a man, so I can put you over my knee and spank your spew about my mother. She lived very much as my girl dreams to live, as her mother has lived, and all their mothers, and my side before them. You moron.
And about the expletives. Yes, I know. My only very bad habit. I didn’t want to be perfect and was given a choice between being a Metrosexual for Feminazi’s or swearing.
Perhaps we could have a swear off? After you teach me, real good. I’m still trying to learn; even though the girls in my life have not liked it. But as I said, look at the alternate… you know, from a man’s perspective, Stevie.
“And that’s the sexist in you.” Oh my God, Tito pass me a tissue! The Feminazi called me sexist. YES! Thanks Stevie. At least I wonder.
Does this mean that whenever I return for business or to visit family that I can join in on “International Sexist Days” parades, like yours and your sisters who give the Royal wave on your special day, surrounded by nude girly men who must be protected by the FreeMason police? Oh goodie.
“Men are extremely critical of all aspects of a woman” So, the little fat girl grows up to be a bitter, emotionally retarded Feminazi who’s got it all. Oh, except for a real man and happiness. And you expect us to believe that your Metroguy is a real man?
Sweetie, no real man will accept a Feminazi… Lives alone, has her own alone house, likes it, has no intention of being a materially dependent lifetime mother, etc, etc. But you’re so sexy when you flaunt your fat, ugly attitude. I love it so much, I just wanna burn your bra. But heh, if you wish to continue to delude yourself, then, sweetcums, knock yourself out.
“They give their “milk” away for free.”
But you’re so filled with the milk of human kindness, that your general appreciation of “milk”[read mother's] is now only in devoid reference to sacred sperm.
“I only hope that when you bring these wives of yours to North America they see that they’ve been gypped…
I honestly hope that that all of the men on this site do meet wonderful women abroad, and that you’ll be happier.” Liar.
“These countries might be emerging players on the worldwide scene,” Might? Might? Yes, might. But not the semantic version you use. Might as in mighty.
“but they’re rampant with corruption and crime”
No doubt someone didn’t teach you about your own job, nursie Ratchet driver. How many more millions of people must suffer and die because the pharmaceutical industry which paid most of your university functioning subsidized education has made it broadcast illegal for people to learn of all that is their birth right to know through our public airways?
Unless you work in critical care, then you are still a part of the most heinous industry in the world. It is the very soul of corruption and crimes against humanity. Every freaking imaginable human degenerative condition including some which are termed genetic in nature.
You are one very deluded, naive and ignorant Feminazi. Just like the love you profess to have in your heart for your Metroneutered… Aw, but you are an advanced human. You are Feminazi. Hear us spew in numbers too big to ignore. You are intractable. Yes you are Feminazi… Excuse the paraphrase of your theme song… “I Am Feminazi”.
Recently, my girl’s dog was diagnosed with lymphoma. The “Russian” vet refused surgery and promptly sent her to a local “homeopathic” pharmacy. The dog is recovering. But I will continue the therapy upon arrival to homeostasis.
In the West, his licence would be reviewed for opting for a non-pharmaceutical protocol.
I refer you to “The Medical Mafia”, by Quebec Dr. Guylaine Lanctot. Crime and corruption, white collar Freemason style, nursie Ratchet Driver.
Yes, riddled with crime and corruption. Yes.
“people still don’t live as well as we do in North America and western Europe”. No doubt.
But I borrow a quote from Newexpat, “One of the most strikingly obvious differences I noticed was just walking down the street and observing ladies smiling ( not scowling ) , happily hugging and embracing their friends both men and women. Aren’t these supposedly dirt poor ladies distressed by their lack of material gain? Their restrictions in travel? Care to analyze that one Shelli?” Thanks pal.
“From the time you were young, society told you that you should be accepted by gorgeous women, flaws and all.”
In the real non-unisex world of real men and real girls, ask the girls who they’d call when they need a real man. Their girlfriend or their man? Now ask a real man who he’s supposed to call in an emergency when only a real man has the courage to solve it or surmount it?
Obviously your car has broken down before in dead winter on a Sunday, post midnight, in a remote part of the world in the middle of a storm, with winds tearing your face off at 140+ km/hr. and your hands turning to icicles within 30 seconds.
A very frightened girl sits in the front seat of a car which isn’t responding and if “he” doesn’t fix it under this kind of stress, then they must pray to be found before they freeze.
If you lived in Russia, you’d have heard of such stories a few winters ago. If you lived where I lived, I could tell you directly… Sweetcums.
There are no sissy boys here. Although the girls are too often too fat and too ugly for my taste.
“so it’s only fair that women are allowed to be just as critical when it comes to men. And I’ll bet you disagree” Pick any insulting word, just because you’re beginning to really annoy me.
And so you think that there are no double standards in being a man who must fend for himself in a crisis or just when he needs some help and that a girl is given such help eagerly and freely. See anyone here complaining? Of course not. It’s part of the real world of real men and girls.
And we not only don’t complain… we wouldn’t have it any other way. And ask our girls with whom they agree. You and your Feminazi Cult? Or we Tarzan, they Jane?
“When girls are little, they learn that it really isn’t what’s inside that counts. No matter how nice the fat or geeky girl is, the boys pass her by.”
So lose the unhealthy fat, or keep the attitude. Odd though that you’ve gone from obese to simply overweight and you still have the fat, ugly attitude. Or to quote myself, “Too bad you couldn’t sweat out the ugly attitude.”
“I would ask them to bend the rules so you, and men like you, could go pronto.” Context. Why always context? (Annoyed again)…
Fembot, I refer to the RED tape which obstructs my civil right to marry in my country of birth whoever and whenever “I” choose. The government of Canada legally disallows a Russian girl to marry me here without first going through some waiting garbage which causes enormous emotional stress.
Again you would know. You’re incapable, being that you’re so emotionally retarded, of understanding such separation stress.
But to all the boys in the band who are reading these essays of ours, guess what?
In Canada a heterosexual male is legally forbidden to marry a Russian girl, who herself is not a landed immigrant. The Canadian Embassy in Moscow refuses to give them anything more than a two week Visitors Visa.
But, but, but, two foreign national lesbians can just pop across the border into good ol’ Toronto and march right into city hall and get all legally bound. No problem.
And this snotnose Feminazi claims I cry wolf on the obstruction?
Illegals arrive all the time. She? Well, of course, she’d be barred from re-entering Canada again for a lifetime if either she tried to marry me here in those circumstances or she stayed one day longer.
The West, home of the screwjob Feminazi.
“How is anyone obstructing your happiness, Canuck?” *^^(#((%$$$$(*()(( Code for choose your expletive.
“the overweight, uneducated, unattractive men that flock to their countries to find wives that are out of their league.” Not that I agree with you entirely. But, for someone who’s so busy getting “hers” why would you care?
And if you weren’t such a reactionary and had read some of the extremely well-written posts by GL, you’d see constant admonishments warning the men to be on their “A” game. No-one here supports slob-beauty couplings.
If you want to complain about what you see in Marica; then, there’s plenty for you to complain about with your Feminazi sisters about their morbidly obese asses. Try taking on that for a lifetime nursie job.
‘”slam” (as you so eloquently put it)’…
“I actually wish I could bang every hot Francesco”. “places to ‘f**k’ men”… I bow to your eloquence Lady Feminazi Beatch.
On another point, my God, you are such a typical Feminazi.
“Again, I don’t travel to foreign places to “f**k” men, nor do I go on sex tours.” Oh yeah? Uh huh. Yup…
“I actually wish I could bang every hot Francesco, Andreas, and Carlos I came across while traveling across Europe or South America.” “Me, a sex tourist? That’s laughable.” Yes, of course, no doubt. And the plane ride was free, the hotels and meals were free. Just the “milk” was gratis.
And by the way, if a real man ever really, and truly loved you; then, he would love you with his energy, you would exchange what can never really come from you… because of your fat, ugly attitude, instead of the energy of love, and he would retain his sperm, which would give both him and you more profound energy of love.
Odd thing about this level of lovin’. The two must be one real man and one real girl and there must be actual love in their hearts, and not the bilious spew of Feminazi.
And in relative terms you couldn’t hold a candle to that kind of intense pleasure with any Western style “slam”.
It is a very ancient and very wise method of creating increasingly love-bonded and pleasured traditional couples. You know, the kind who aren’t allergic to the inequities of me man, you girl. In other words, the best sex is never recreational.
But, heh, just motor right along, ho.
And no, I don’t support whoring from either side. Real love is the real thing.
Another love-starved Feminazi…
“If a man has a degree, a good career, goes to the gym at least five days a week, and is health consious, he deserves a woman of the same caliber.” And this for all the world to see is … “The Cult of Entitlement”.
So? What? Real men, good real men, cannot be the mechanic who you can’t make it to your pharmajob without?
Such men don’t have a right to love or be loved by a beautiful girl? A slim, beautiful girl? Genetically slim, and not one missed day at the gym away from bloating out like a Feminazi International Day float.
What about the men who fix your pipes? Your plumbing dear. Or the house you live in? It got made all by itself? Arrogant, elitist Feminazi.
According to the real sliding scale you should really only be allowed to date corrupt, morally bankrupt pharma types who suppress truth and human dignity.
And you claim superiority over tradesmen? You live a very sheltered life. And who allows you your illusion? Yes, I know, those servicemen jobs and the men who perform them are all pond scum. Damn them all to hell and a life with fat, ugly women.
No. Strike that. I don’t want to have to take my garbage to the dump myself. Unless of course, you’re in the bag.
“People are still trying to get out – especially from the old Eastern Bloc countries.” Live with your cold war, media propagandized falsetto myths. Obviously, you weren’t at the St. Petersburg international business summit a few weeks ago.
Apparently, Shellinazi… The moderator, originally from Switzerland, a new member of Russian mafia obviously, began the conference by congratulating all the other ex-pat businessmen that they had survived overnight the ever-present threat of imminent death by Russian mafia.
All that Western money, and no matter how much you earn, you will never be as rich in life as a real Russian girl. Never.
“Unfortunately, the cost of living has increased so much that it’s next to impossible.”
Like I said, you will never be as rich in life as a real Russian girl, who prefers a simple life “at home with her really real child for a lifetime” than your half million dollar, “two” income home.
What is priceless in life? The lifestyle of the Beatch and Infamous, or the little miracles produced by these gifts from God? I refer to all the “lil’ chilrens” and their incredibly gorgeous, wiser-than-owls-handed-down-from-centuries, Russian girls.
Priorities, sweetcum. In the real world of real men and girls, we call this the natural order, normalcy in life. Yes, I know, you’re a Feminazi, and it’s nearly entirely Greek to you.
But more importantly. Not to us.
“embittered men who would therefore never have a chance with me.”
Please. Promise us. We seek a slice of heaven. Not a nightmare from hell. Now, even a quickie is out of the question. See how you just keep ruining your chances with real men?
And if only you had learned first how to love being a real girl, we just might have overlooked your fat, ugly history. Or is it histrionics?
“I don’t see women, the world over, traveling to North America for some slam”.
And this is why we love our Russian girls with all our hearts and souls. We are so fed up with Feminazi ho’s like you.
But, yes, they do follow us if we ask them. I don’t like the smell of Feminazi though. Eau de ho. Makes my nose irritated. So, I must force myself to relocate where my future son will not have to endure the odor.
Feel the love, sister, feel the love… Oops. In my zeal, I forgot. You are Feminazi. You were born under the Feminazi sign of porkhershepines, yes? Such fascinating creatures.
“Most people have to wait months, even years to … emigrate out of different countries.” Wrong in the case of Russia the Great. You pays yer money and when you pays even more of yer money, you can get a pass “same day”. Imagine that?
And who is advocating for universal access? The land of the West? the free and the brave? Or Russia? You are so ignorant. But in a cute Feminazi sort of a way. It’s the charm that I’ll be sure to wave to on “Elvis’ way out”.
” I had wonderful experiences with all of them.” No doubt now they can all die happy.
” And I wouldn’t ever treat him like he was
‘nothing more than an object’ at my beck and call.” Uhh… what?… “I actually wish I could bang every hot Francesco, Andreas, and Carlos I came across while traveling across Europe or South America.” No. Of course not.
“You slam the sexual prowess of foreign men”.
Oh please don’t take away my idiomatic expression with your own tired one.
However, I will look for the full report in the next issue of Fembot Destroyer… “I have also dated two Italians”… “And by the time they’ve reached the level of females that will have them” Yes. Apparently.
“Wow, that’s not saying very much about your girl in the way of her mental health.”
Like I said, great love will never be yours and you therefore can never conceive of the torment borne of the desire to reunite.
“Actually, I’ll bet that she’s perfectly fine away from you.”
Plain Jane, you ignorant slut. The most frequently asked question of me… “_____, when are you arriving? Followed immediately by, “I miss you my man. Every single day. Every single day.
It really bothers you that a gorgeous, brilliant, educated, cultured, refined, adoring, super incredibly feminine, maternally wise, real girl like her is tormented by my absence, doesn’t it?
“She’s got her career and her family.”
Aw, now see boys. She’s done it again. Given away her Feminazi philosophy.
No Fembot. Actually, if you weren’t so dyslexic you would already have read in my initial response that she considers her real career “lifetime motherhood” and her family is, you guessed it, moi, “me”.
Here, I’ll make it easy for you.
Real girl career = lifetime motherhood
Feminazi career = herself, herself and her paycheck.
Real girl family = her real man and her very beautiful children
Feminazi family = herself, herself and her Casper Milktoast lapdog, interspersed with the occasional weekly sex vacation humper.
“I think you are the one that’s emotionally tormented being away from her.” Are you saying that because your owners make you sell the most drugs possible?
“She’s probably the first attractive woman that would ever consider dating you,”
Yes. I just don’t know what to do, how to act, how to hold her, how to comfort her, how to provide for her, protect her, protect her, did I say “protect her” yet?, make a home for our family with my own hands, give her real love and profound pleasure, adore and care for “our” children, be emotionally strong for her, cherish her very being, be her rock of support, allow her to be a naturally weak girl, listen to her girl’s wisdom of family care and nurturing, back her up and entirely support her as a parent, or anything man-girl related.
Golly gee Fembot, what will I do?
“and you’ve just got to be with her.” Yes, yes, yes. Finally you said something which isn’t total spew and has some substance to it.
Please though, don’t bother having a “going away” party for me. I know that more than one of you is a crowd. You go girl!
Kisses Sweetcums.
GL… Another duplicate may be on the way. If not, I’ll reword the response to Nurse Ratchet, the Shelli of a real girl.
Heh, Wolverine and all the Buds, I don’t even drink; but, I’d like to buy you all a beer. They make some .5 that I kinda like.
Life on the wild side. Heh, live well or die bored.
Thanks Wolverine. Big time. Thanks.
And I will keep in touch. We need some kind of Expat thing in Russia. A secret handshake or possibly an escapee sneer/smile. Don’t leave home without it.
…Remember to duck and weave. It seems to confuse violently expressive Feminazi’s.
In Ontario, the Feminazi’s have installed a law which states that if a FN says you hauled off and hit her; then, you must be charged. Then it’s up to you to convince the judge that she’s a liar.
The best advice is when you sense it could be coming… Put some details in writing and send it by registered mail to yourself with another copy delivered to your nearest detachment. Make sure the signatory is a member of the detachment and not a secretary. Get their name and badge number.
The same thing happened to me when I dated, ever-so-briefly, a Feminazi who was abusing and terrorizing her own son and daughter. The son is now safe with the father, a former husband. God help the daughter.
Anyway, I had formerly registered a statement of notice of threat after I had told her to stop abusing her kids. And because of my legal foresight, when she called after she learned I had notified the boy’s father, the Feminazi court had no choice but to throw it out, considering she had also perjured herself in another “constructed” case.
Get this… She told me that when he left her, that she had gone outside of her apartment and banged her head against the brick until her head bled without stopping and then marched herself and her Feminazi butt into the station and accused her ex of assault.
I was his witness in both cases. And in response I had enough stuff on her to get her to relinquish custody voluntarily or risk losing both.
But she was charming in a psychotic, abusive kind of a way.
Not one of her Metrosexuals seemed to want to help the little kids who actually asked me overtly to help them. The eight year old girl threatened suicide. How pathetic is that?
Ever seen a mother trying to stuff a whole piece of toast down her son’s throat, while simultaneously holding his mouth so he could’t spit it out and slapping him for being late for school?
Aw, yes, the milk of human kindness.
My God, why don’t they see what they’ve become?
Oh, by the way, Russia just won the bid for the Winter Olympiad 2014, in Sochi. I’ll be cheering for Shelli’s hockey team. You go girl!
Very happy for you Wolverine, that when the time is right for you, that you too will escape to the East. Wonderful. Truly.
Damm. I do have to tell you that right now I could even kiss a Fe… Nah. Not even euphoria could possess my soul enough to make me do that.
I’ll just have to save the Hershey’s for a little slice of heaven.
Shelli sounds suspiciously like every other bitter hag who’s dropped in to share her enlightenment with us, almost verbatim. Either Aussie Kim or (fill in the blank) has a new handle, or they’re all getting their talking points from the same website.
It’s barely worth responding to anymore.
LOL, that second post was close to pure genius, Canuck. But, don’t you think that the guys that build the roads we drive on, the truckers who dring us EVERTHING that we can ever buy in the store, the oil worker that makes it possible for us to fill our smelly cars to go places deserve to be happy too?? What about the kid who is trying to start out by giving you your burgers or clearing you dishes away from the table in a restaraunt?? Apparently, in Shelli’s book, these people deserve to be miserable too, because they don’t make enough money, and probably aren’t educated enough to catch her interest.
Unfortunately, she and many like her doom those honest, hardworking men to a life of misery.
I do believe that all people, man, woman, and child, are equal in the eyes of God. But, as the one girl here that I would consider dating said, different body parts, different emotions, different functions.
And I know this girl quite well. She had taken driver’s education. Perhaps in this regard, women do get the short end of the stick. Her driving instructor taught her a whole pile of garbage that would get her killed quite quickly. She was a little young and stupid. Her parents couldn’t teach her any different, and they were scared that she’d get killed. So, they asked me to help as I’m a professional driver, and have driven in some of the busiest cities in North America, in a semi, in rush hour, traffic jams, and lockdowns.
It took me almost 70 hours to unteach all the crap that she’d been taught, and another 20 to teach her the right stuff. I had to scare her really badly a few times to get her to listen. Let’s just say that the last scare left a stain on my seat.
Once she realized that the education system was very capable of lying to her, she asked me what other things she had been lied to about. So I told her about how feminism was degrading society, about how there was a feminist movement before every major empire fell, etc. I encouraged her to read tome anti-feminist blogs, and while we were driving home, she and I would discuss them.
She began to understand that love is something that both have to work on, it’s not just that man’s fault when things go wrong, how with holding love of all types can cause irreperable dammage to a relationship and herself, how men are more willing to help women when they are given love and support instead of nagging and backbiting, etc.
She is about 8 years younger than me, so, in all likelyhood, nothing will ever happen with her, but her present BF came up to me at a conference that we were both attending, and thanked me for influencing this girl’s life, because in his words, “He hasn’t had the nightmare with her that all his other gfs have given him.”
It is interesting to watch the before and after in this situation. She was suspicious of every guy that would try to talk to her. Now she welcomes it, and sees it as a compliment. She was backbitting and nagging. Now she supports and is loving, and kind. She used to walk slumped and sagging, the typical North American feminazi walk. Now she walks tall, with the pride that only comes from finding yourself.
Anyways, Canuck, if you’re ever in my area of the world (Presently Alberta), I”ll buy you a beer. And, yes, Christians and Taoists can be friends.
And just a Western pride thing, if Stephen Dion becomes PM, I’m moving to the States if I can’t afford a ticket to Eurasia or China, and if Hillary becomes president, money be da**ed, I”m leaving if I have to hide in a shipping container.
Interesting that the US Declaration of Independence says, ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
It’s too bad that an extra right wasn’t mentioned. The right to protect the others at all costs.
Too bad those rights weren’t recognized in Canada…
Anyways, Canuck, if you’re ever in my area of the world (Presently Alberta), I”ll buy you a beer. And, yes, Christians and Taoists can be friends.
And just a Western pride thing, if Stephen Dion becomes PM, I’m moving to the States if I can’t afford a ticket to Eurasia or China, and if Hillary becomes president, money be da**ed, I”m leaving if I have to hide in a shipping container.
Interesting that the US Declaration of Independence says, ” We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
It’s too bad that an extra right wasn’t mentioned. The right to protect the others at all costs.
Too bad those rights weren’t recognized in Canada…
LOL, that second post was close to pure genius, Canuck. But, don’t you think that the guys that build the roads we drive on, the truckers who dring us EVERTHING that we can ever buy in the store, the oil worker that makes it possible for us to fill our smelly cars to go places deserve to be happy too?? What about the kid who is trying to start out by giving you your burgers or clearing you dishes away from the table in a restaraunt?? Apparently, in Shelli’s book, these people deserve to be miserable too, because they don’t make enough money, and probably aren’t educated enough to catch her interest.
Unfortunately, she and many like her doom those honest, hardworking men to a life of misery.
“But, don’t you think that the guys that build the roads we drive on, the truckers …, the oil worker… deserve to be happy too??”, Wolverine…
Yes, absolutely. Big time absolutely. They hypocracy of the Cult of FN contends to fight against unfair perceptions which supposedly suppress what is their right.
None are more blind than members of a Cult.
And yes, I am entirely right that it is a Cult.
All decent, real men have my enormous respect. I have never known even one whom I didn’t. The more that a person lives in a remote locale, the more that they see how fundamental such jobs and men are to their survival. At such locations people very quickly learn not to take the trades and service men for granted.
Shelli thinks that she lives in a separated bubble. Well, actually she does in a very screwball kind of a way. But I think you understand my point, yes?
Let me make what I think is a very fundamental point… Shelli lives in a system of artificial par-par. I understand what she intends. That all couples should be matched. Too great a mismatch is a recipe for discontent.
But our broader point is the value of Real men. Read that again Shelli. Ok. I’ll write it again because I think that this point is entirely Greek to her.
Our broader point is the value of Real men.
According to the Cult of Feminazi, the enemy is “man”. And we’re all more than tired of being condemned for it. We know that already. So, when they are told that Real men are their enemy, their suppressors, they cannot even then conceive of our broader value to their lives, their enduring happiness.
Why is this issue of the broader value of Real men so important to the successful coupling of Western men and Eurasian girls? Simple. What Feminazi’s like Shelli never realize is that the smiling girl in such photo’s is Extremely happy that she has, you guessed it… a Real man.
To be a Real man is not always so easy. And so, when the Tanya’s, and Oksana’s and Svetlana’s of the world actually have the love and care of one, this creates huge value to their lives. Why?
Read this and weep Shelli… Because Real men add the most value possible to a Real girl’s life.
And, of course, as we all more than know, Real girls, Real sweeter than God’s honey Russian girls, add the most value to our lives.
And this is as it should be. And no-one here will dispute this last statement.
So, then this argument of University degree to University degree, attractive to attractive and so on does not take into account what is fundamentally the most important to any Real girl–that her man is a Real man, and not some Metroneutered screwjob sissy boy, or a boy who never learned his place in the real world.
In a place like this, I can assure you pal, no such sorry *ss excuse for a man would ever happily survive. To live in such a place is very much like life’s bootcamp.
Let me give you just one simple example. Let’s say that Joe Blow just finally earns what is necessary to buy a woodstove or furnace to heat his home for our blustery winters. But it is well into the fall and in fact the snow even begins to fall and the cold has long ago driven to migrating what must be gone.
In other words, it’s already cold as a Feminazi’s heart. Burrr. Real cold. God, can anything be more cold? Ok. So, you got the whole cold thing.
Anyways, this chimney for this woodstove must be installed or there is no heat. But when it’s already technically too late, who would you want to call? Some Metroneutered or a Real man? Your wintertime survival depends on who you ask when you need such help. So? Who?
Just one simple example. But life and Real men are fundamental to its success.
We are not the enemy. We are its value.
And yes, when I would decide to build a little something for an income deal in BC., should that one be there instead of in Russia and you’re not already in the Motherland, I’ll ask GL to send you my vitals. And we can get together for a beer. Same if it’s in Russia. And if you’re a trucker, I’ll buy you the night’s rounds.
Oh, by the way Wolverine, I’m not really a Taoist in the religious meaning. Although I understand the philosophy. I simply practice what used to be until recently some nearly esotheric sexual methods. And those methods make a loving couple more deeply bonded and necessary to each other’s happiness.
Which is why I mention it from time to time. Another way to ensure enduring love. Especially considering the naturally raging hormones of girl’s 30-32 to 42 period of their lives. The bonus is greater vitality, energy and male birth control for the guys in the band.
My mother is a devout Catholic and my girl is an Orthodox Russian Christian. The two finest females in my life. What I especially like about Russian Orthodox is their recognition of the fundamental differences in the sexes and its value to the world. And especially to Russia.
Real men and Real girls would not feel out of place in such a church. I’ll happily accompany her. Why wouldn’t I when it gives her some inner strength and peace?
The offer for beer stands to the rest of y’all as well. Part of the Cult used the term “male chauvanist pig” to try to make it socially uncool for men to bond. They hate it when we gain strength from each other’s friendship. Scares the heck out of a Feminazi to see Real men bonding.
Which is part of the reason that they try to throw wedges into our purpose of searching and supporting the search for a lifetime mate.
Thanks again Wolverine for your compliment about the post. I feel the same about what I read as well. Oh no. More bonding.
I loved the recent post by Anya, Anna of St. Petersburg. It was a much more telling response to Shelli than anything I wrote. Imagine. A Real Russian girl asking for more Real men. Kind a puts an all day smile on your face doesn’t it? Notice that she asked if more such men could live in Russia, by the way? Again, it contradicts the whole Feminazi mail order bride theory.
Don’t you just love them?
Make a Russian girl truly happy. And the smile on your face will be God’s.
Well, Canuck, thank you very much for the offer, and I will accept. And, in return, let me know if you’re coming to Calgary. Do you like Chinese food? My treat. But I’m not a ‘real’ trucker anymore. I’ve moved down the ladder of trucker respect. I now haul gravel for oilfield construction. But, the upside is that I’ve moved up the payscale.
My info is posted under Photos 18. Feel free to message me, I would enjoy a personal conversation where I could learn things outside this forum. You might have to read for a while to find it.
If you don’t mind, I’d perfer to stick to root beer. You can drink what you want, and I’ll be the designated driver. I take no offence from those that drink alcohol. Or eat chocolate (refering Aunt Natalia’s article). Anyways, Sleep is becoming manditory. 12-14 hour shifts 6 days a week are hard on the body.
Wolverine…
Root beer is more than excellent! I don’t drink either. Well, ok, some good wine once in a blue moon. But, I accept that some people do imbibe. My girl is liable to have a whole half a beer, for example. And she’ll force us both to Japanese food, or she’s bound to give those strange “wild men” looks. Calgary… oh no!! a Stampede of Russophilia!!
Man oh man, that’s a lot of workin’, pal! Almost feel guilty about taking your sleep time.
I should show her the mountains as well.
Yes, to the Stéphane Dion thing. I hear that he’s a real charmer. Instead of the typical politician kissing babies, he apparently has been seen looking to smooze the men. OMG! Remember to keep your pepper spray handy. *lol … *but not too much, Stephy.
Canuck
LOL You and your girl aren’t rodeo fans?? Don’t you know that the bull has only one objective?? To get that hat wearing monkey off his back. Draw any parallel to feminism that you’d like.
Anyways, Tell your girl that it’s a cultural event, she might go for it.
Dont’ feel guilty about my sleep, I only really need about 6 hours.
Oh, and shelli is an interesting name, just the shell of a woman.
We’ll order Chinese anyways. Then, an hour later we can help her eat the rest of her Japanese. Here, let us help you with that…
Do you recall Shelli’s adamant pleas that she isn’t a sex tourist? A link and a few reasons to ask if a girl likes to travel, where to and even more questions when she’s a wife “who needs a break”.
http://english.pravda.ru/society/sex/29-06-2007/94318-sex_tourism-0
Ever notice when the questions are too close to the musical truth that trust is argued? Very interesting this part of some girls.
Options and ambitions. Before childbirth and after produce seriously different levels of motivation for seriously different purposes.
I married a Russian girl have been together for 10 years she is beautifull inteligent helps send our child to a private school.She has beautifull kind Russian friends as well who actually like men.My only regret she hates aussie white women so much it drives her crazy she hates there down dressing over rated attitude.Poor girl marry a foreign woman guys you wont regret.It amazes me how many people cynically ask how did you meet your Russian bride.When I ask how did you meet your over weight ussie wife they seem offended .Hmmmmm hard to understand
Hi Rodney,
Thanks for sharing your joy.. but most importantly thanks for sharing the ultimate comeback against jealous men or women who would try to slant you or your lovely wife in such a demeaning way.
Great joy and happiness to you both
GL
I am a canadian guy and I have been with my girl for 5 years now and no she is not a western girl, she is from Hong Kong , she is loyal,compassionate, trustworthy, and not crazy like a western woman is..I have tried to date western women but there thinking is so f****d up it baffles my mind. Their selfishness is beyond selfish…They have no regard for a mans feelings or really anything in general but themselves…
Well everyone..
This article only goes to prove what I’ve written in this post..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=540732&in_page_id=1766
Obviously it’s another step towards denial and “equality” for our society..
Have any of you guys in the UK got an opinion on this?
Cheers.. GL
The UK is in a rapid downward spiral. Frankly I blame the spice girls and a bizarre imbalance beyond equality in favour of western women!
That daily mail article is fairly typical, average size 16, absolutely appalling, to me it just shows a total inability to be able to look after yourself. I would never go near anyone that size because if they cant look after themselves how on earth would they handle looking after children for example?!
Interesting article about British vs American women:
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/beauty/article3029451.ece
The general problem with western women and I would say a lot of modern youth is that they have this notion that they can have anything they want without having to do anything themselves. This means that people lose their manners, lose the art of conversation and don’t bother with their appearance. They leech off men and bring nothing of value to a relationship anymore. Denial is commonplace, whoever mentions that these women should do something to improve themselves gets labeled as having the problem, not the women themselves.
I certainly cant talk for all western men, although I think everyone here agrees that the ideals of family values and harmonious relationships are only found in women from other countries!
She won’t even wear what other women are wearing:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=557329&in_page_id=1773
She is wearing a sarong which is chick code for a tablecloth big enough to cover her huge posterior. EVEN SHE DOESN’T THINK SHE CAN COMPETE. Here is the part of the article that really ties up what this is about:
“But although she is the average size for a woman, in the age which has seen the rise of the scarily thin size zero model, she certainly stands out.”
Average size? Make no mistake gentlemen, this is a political statement. “We will continue to get fatter, and you will find us sexy because we say so.” Scarily thin? That is a sexy, in shape woman – THAT THEY HATE!
I say again, Western Women will be forgotten on the Ash Heap of History. Their role will be to work harder, advance in their careers, adopt children, and live alone. Western men will scour the FSU, South America, and Asia for wives, and rebuild their society with these women.
Put a fat girl in a Miss England contest? Hear the roar of our yawns ladies.
Anyone remember a few months ago at either a famous Italian or Spanish runway show that they screened out some models because they were “too skinny” and not promoting a “healthy looking woman.” The “average” western woman is so jealous of these models that they do everything in their power to make these models seem like they are “unhealthy, too skinny, have eating problems, don’t promote the look of a “real woman.”" I’m pretty sure just about all the of women GL has posted over the years would easily fall into the “too skinny” look for these feminists. They hate these thin women because they know that this is what men truly want. They are one of the last reminders for american men that women can be naturally thin and beautiful.
GL said on one of his early posts that he lost around 80 pounds in his first 6 months in Russia simply because of the new lifestlye he was living. He didn’t need to get a gym membership, count points, not eat carbs, or spend $$$ on a diet counselor or even really watch what he ate to do this. The just simply lived his new Russian life-style. His numerous articles about how the american lifestyle itself has become unhealthy ring true espically when it comes to weight.
(sorry for a slip of tag)
Hey Just wanted to let you all know I can not agree with you all more. My father, my hero has been married to a fembot and it has taken its toll. My father is now 68 and has cancer and is not far away to a better place but my bitch fembot mother will not stop nagging, bitching at him day in and day out like endless diarrhea. it makes me sick and there is little to nothing I can do about it besides make fun of it with my dad when…that creature is out of the house. I have been overseas and I have seen what you guys mean I will never be with a American girl. I am attractive and I am educated. I have had American girl friends in the past but I will never go back to them after seeing what has happened to my friends. I am now 25 and a good friend of mine also a college grad in engineering has married a what I call a early bloomer. A girl who looks great when she is 19 but as soon as she hits a ripe old age of 24 looks like she is ready for social security. Now he is trapped with 1 kid a ugly bitter wife that does nothing for him only for herself and claims how wonderful she is to bring him a child when all she does is use my friends hard earned money to pay someone else to do her job for her.
I am not sure if I have made any impact in her like you guys have made on me but, if I have than I am happy to return some of the favor. I am dating a Japanese girl who is 25 and looks 25 very rare to see that in American no matter how you put it. I have had her brother come her on vacation and he admitted all the girls that were attractive and note worthy were under age. That is never the problem in japan if any of you guys have been there
I’m sad to hear about your father RAB. I hope he pulls through his cancer ok.
I am 31 now and can’t believe how bad some of the girls my age look, overweight and overburdened by their own lifestyle, and blaming everyone but themselves for it. My current roommate for some reason stuck with a very immature, self serving girl for 2 years and when he was finally about to leave her she suddenly became pregnant by him. He left anyways and is now stuck having to pay child support.
I get to interact with a lot of first generation asians and the are always a pleasure to be around. You can see the culture they have is very rewarding and not stress filled like we have here.
Thanks Sunny for your comment. I can relate to your roommates situation. As I said in the previous post That I have a friend in the same boat but he actually married this women. He told me later that when they were dating everything was great but about 8 months after marriage everything starting to change for the worst. All western women I have spoken with and by ALL I mean all not just some say that they will never allow there “physical appearances to go to hell” when In fact they are already on the road to doom. All you have to do is look at there arms. If there arms are as big around as yours and they are not packing any muscle you can bet the rest of the body ie stomach, legs, face is not soon to follow suite. I know what I say may be hurtful but it is the truth of what I see. I wish I could take pride in my countries women but I can’t and its a sad thing to have happen. I am sure there are some that are not part of the problem but the number is growing at a exponential rate. It is hard to find a women in the US that can contain her beauty past the age of 25 Why is this ladies? And I wish I could get a answer besides “well you men aren’t doing much either” crap I have herd that a thousand times already on this blog. A guy in the US that you would say is subject to a average US women
average US women = a 20 pound or more overweight complete bitch that never stops complaining
can get something ten times better from another country speaks for itself, While on the other hand I would say that US women would be hard up to do the same. Americans found that out with cars in the early 1980′s with Japaneses made cars that outclassed any American Car in every aspect on any scale. Although American Car manufactures learned about quality and functionality as the most important aspect about making a car. I wonder if women can take to the same lesson
Asian culture not stress filled? Are you insane? They work such long hours that the Japanese have a word for ‘working oneself to death’ (karoshi)
if you are referring to the word 過労死 Then you are mistaken. It is a stereotypical word to use or say that dates back in the 1970′s It is not so much the case today. I know many people who take 2 to 3 breaks in excess of 20 to 30 min each plus lunch in japan. I do believe Japanese workers on average work 10 hours longer than Americans per week but I do not believe all 10 hours are productive. And I am sure that Sunny was pointing to the home life not the work life which are 2 different things together
Yes, thanks RAB,
I was referring to their home life/culture. Almost all of them are Philipino, Lao, and Vietnamese, with a few Cambodians. I should have been clear in what cultures I was pointing out. When they have a pot-luck, look out, it’s some of the best food ever!
RAB,
Check out the links page and read through the links on Cultural Marxism if you haven’t already. Also finding out about the Russian feminist movement is very interesting, basically they found feminism to be so destructive to the national culture and the family unit they quickly buried. If you learn the root causes of what’s happening then the effects of what we see are much clearer.
Anyone else seen the newest feminist propaganda movement? Cougars. I cougar is a older women(usually in her 40′s) who goes out to grab a younger guy(usually 20′s-early 30′s). Why date some over-the-hill, balding, overweight, overtaxed man your age when you could get a guy in his prime. Yes it is being promoted! Demi and Ashton are becoming the norm now. What better way to further destabilize the traditionally family unit then to be a cougar. Maybe this could cause these 20 something girls to finally care more about their looks
They could lose their guy to a 45 year old woman.
Very interesting article Sunny. I had no idea where the term political correctness really came from and how it has transformed our society.
Sunny
What is the difference between the ‘cougar’s you have described and the balding men who go out with much younger women? Or do you disapprove of both?
Dawn
I think that Sunny is only pointing out the over obvious double standard. In realty there is no difference between the 2, however women look in horror if a man is subject to a younger women of a age gape in excess of 10 or more years yet on the other end a 40 year old women dating a 25 year old man is perfectly fine in their views.
Lets make a example I know for a fact femnazi would go hay wire if they saw a few good old boys from the US with some young Thai girls that are half there age. I have seen women hiss and piss and moan about how miss guided the women are and how us men are only using these women like a sort of commodity being the “sexist pigs that we are”.
Now example number 2, a older unhappy married women of 40 goes to a bar and finds a much younger stud and takes him to a hotel for some hot fun. You tell me whats the difference I see none at all
Also. Sunny points out in a humors way that “These 20 something girls to finally care more about their looks
They could lose their guy to a 45 year old woman.” Only shows that Sunny is in favor of it. We just find it ironic that it is okay if womens desires are met, but bad if it helps out the middle class middle aged US American man.
Please don’t find what I am saying as any kind of bad intent towards yourself Dawn. Based on what you have said in these posts it shows that you have some class which is a very rare thing now in American women.
Dawn I live in Arizona right now and I don’t know how it is in the rest of the US but women here past the age of 20 look 10 years older not younger than there actual age. I have made a huge mistake when I asked a man in his 30′s if he was taking his mother out for mothers day. I was greeted by a huge dirty look from the women only to find out it was his wife.
The man in this instance seemed to be a normal healthy US male but his wife let herself go, probably after having a child with this man which guarantees her “entitlement” to everything the guy owns so in short like so many other US men stuck with nowhere to run in a system that only caters to womens needs. In todays media I only hear about womens needs and what women want what about what men want? If everything is to be equal and fair shouldn’t we worry about men as much as we worry about women?
I think women should be held to some sort of standard. But I forgot in American the double standard is what makes this country work. I get tired about the women I see here my age here. There are some women that look great but there attitudes are hideous, due to the lack of competition in this country one can only assume that this trend will only get worse. And yes I do thin in general men keep themselves up better than women just have a look around. It is outrages that if I were to marry a American women I would expect a non existent sex life with a over weight over bearing women before i hit the age of 30. Someone pointed out that men deserve only what they can get. I think that women is absolutely right thats why i am getting something I deserve else where.
Is the problem that I pointed out above due to the parenting the media or everything all together I am not sure. My sister is now 28 but she like the majority is over weight by about 20 pounds but when my father decided to put his neck out on the line and suggest that she should start “dieting/ taking care of her body” my mother almost decked him behind the head so my father cowered and the conversation stopped there. I think this is the root of the problem women should know that they are responsible for there own bodies and they should take some responsibility and take care of what they have. Its funny that i used the word responsibility in the direction towards women. Usually women love to us this word in the direction for men to be responsible for everything now i use it back in return.
I said it in my first statement but my father has cancer and it is sever right now. My mother had the nerve to tell her friends point black “I am so happy my husband thought about me enough to get life insurance”. Wow if that is not as self centered as you get. Even when my father is nearing the end of his life my own mother only thinks of herself. Any comments you guys have about this?
Regarding your point about obesity in women, I have a theory on this. I’ll put it in propositions — since this is how I think — and see if it works.
Six propositions:
1. In the West, more women are overweight than men
2. In the West, people of both genders tend to eat out a lot rather than eat home cooking (relative to 30 years ago and relative to other countries)
3. Portions served in restaurants are never varied according to whether a man or a woman ordered it
4. Men and women tend to order from the same ‘menu categories’ when they eat together (e.g. both will order a starter and an entree; or both will order just an entree)
5. Most groups in restaurants are mixed company (ie both genders)
6. Men and women require vastly different daily caloric intakes (about 25% more for men)
Therefore women may be taking in far too many calories without really even noticing.
The corrolary of this is that in countries where home cooking is still the norm, women tend to eat a lot less. When Mom serves up dinner, she gives a little bit to the kids, a bit more to herself, and a lot to Dad. The McDonalds on the corner does not do this.
Here we go again Its the “fast food industry thats doing it”. I would take a wild guess but I bet more than 80% of American women can not cook a meal for a family to save her soul or would ever put forth any effort in doing so. If the problem lies on whats on the dinner table how is it not the womens problem. I know that will make a lot of western women angry who think dinner should come in a take out bag and that home cook meals are made by the “slaves” in other countries that are not as superior as you over pampered western women, but I beg to differ. I know in eastern countries take Japan for instance has more fast food restaurant per capita than the united states yet women seem to use a little common sense and know 3 fast foods meals every day lead to the road of obesity and health problems. Yet here in the US common sense seems to be polluted by our own self denial of what political correct views should be validated regardless of the truth and deception behind them. Women should work and pursue there career goals and if they have a kid don’t worry there husband makes plenty of money to have someone else raise their kids, ie after school programs that last until 7pm or house keepers that take on the responsibilities that the wife is willing to pay for via her husbands money. I was the product of this environment and I am here to say It doesn’t work as well as feminazi would what you to think it does.
I hate it when women use this as a power move on the act of fairness. But, my question is what is fair to the youth of this country? Here is some food for thought.
Fact 1.) Our young are becoming extremely over weight and maul nourished
Fact 2.) Women who give up there motherly duties to a child are considered hero’s of todays struggling women in the work place.
Fact 3.) Women in this country take zero responsibility for anything that they do or the consequences that occur due to there own actions.
One Last food for thought never forget proverbs “Pride goes before fall”
Dawn,
When I was dating a girl in Ukraine. I noticed that at dinner, she would eat her portion but many times, she would know to stop when she has had enough and then she would slide her unfinished plate to me. To me, they seem to have real good self control and not overeat. I reckon it’s part of their culture. The girls know that to attract guy’s attention, they have to stay slender and in good shape. Besides that, they grow their hairs long, keep up their appearance and maintain their femininity. All of these goes toward their goal of attracting a man. And guess what, it works, very well indeed!!
RAB,
Hope you can find someone who can be unselfish. Because that’s what love is – being unselfish. And from my experiences, better chance of finding this in a traditional Russian gal.
-M
Just because a plate of food is put in front of you at a restaurant does not mean you have to eat it all. I regulary split my meal with someone else, just order an appetizer, or only eat half and get a to-go carton if I’m heading straight home afterwards. I haven’t been able to eat a whole restaurant serving in quite some time, nor do I try too. Dawn, your whole list of propositions would be a non issue with most other cultures as most others would STOP EATING when they are satiatied and not gorge themselves.
SISD,
There’s also one behavior I noticed when I was over there. It is that when I am full, I am full and I cannot put another bite into my mouth nor had I the desire to do so. And it was easy to stop. I noticed that when I returned here to the states, overeating for the pleasure of eating was not difficult. Something different in the food I suspect. Perhaps, the food in Europe is more nutritious and I surmise there is some cascading effect of some types of hormones in our digestive tracts that tell us we’re full and to cut the appetite. Me thinks, the food here in the US maybe too processed and to too great an extent grown with fertilizers that their nutritional properties are reduced to a point that we must gorge ourselves in order to feel full. I also noticed a difference in taste. The vegetables over there, the milk, definitely tasted more natural; there is actually flavor. Over here, when one picks up a Wendy’s burgers, onions don’t taste like onions, tomatoes don’t taste like tomatoes and lettuce don’t taste like lettuce…. They just don’t taste real.
-M
I have to agree with SISD and Manoah, the food in Europe was much better. I was in Denmark meeting a Latvian girl. It was a much better experience than I had ever dreamed it would be. We did some sightseeing, and it was nice. She could read a map, and navigate quite well.
I noticed about the food too. She would eat what she needed in the restaraunt, and then slid her plate to me for me to finish.
I know this is a Russian site, but if one wants to get a different take on life, I would suggest taking a week to go to Copenhagen. The city is very interesting, and very well laid out. For traveling around, it’s definately the most versatile I have seen. First, closest to the buildings, you have the pedestrian sidewalk, Then you have the cike roadway, and they you have the street. Most people travel around on petal bikes, and the air is very clean there.
As for food, the food in North America is too processed, has too many chemicals, and is grown badly. The soil’s nutrition is depleted, and all you wind up getting is bulk of nothing in your diet. All our most nutritious food is sent to Europe or Asia. Let’s you know what is really happening.
Anyways, I live on an organic farm. Things taste like they should.
While the food is pretty bland here it has more to do with eating speed than quality of food. It takes 15 minutes from the time you eat your food to hit your stomach. So if you are cramming food down your throat your going to pack a lot more calories into your body by eating fast then someone who ate slowly would. If americans would just slow down their eating we would probably slim down quite a bit.
SiSD
Wolverine, thank you for complimenting my city
It makes me so happy when people like it here.
Hazel, you’re Danish? I was also in Copenhagen recently — one of my favourite cities. And I can understand your earlier comment now. Danes are beautiful — both men and women! There is something about the easy friendliness of the people that is also very attractive.
Yes, I am. Well, part Danish part British, but I grew up here. And thank you
I’m glad to hear that we represent ourselves well! Personally I’ve always been told that I don’t look Danish, though. Possibly because my dad bears a slight resemblance to Putin…
(I might already have posted a reply, not really sure. If so, sorry)
Denmark was recently ranked as the happiest country in the world… because of the freedom that people have…
-M
Well,,after being divorced for five years, and thank goodness she divorced me; she had
ladders to climb (a guy w more dinero, bigger house..you got the picture)
anyway..even in my mid fifties,,I am lean/fit and well not really mean ( I do have a little edge) ..except when I have to interact with ANY American woman as related to work..socially, business or just day to day stuff; unless they are under 25 and have not figured out yet “what they are worth or what they can get” if they are even remotely attractive…feminine is a word almost out of the dictionary here in the states.
Anyway..after taking a little while to get back to a normal financial situation,,I’m ready and hopefully will be traveling to Russia later in the fall 08,,I cannot wait;
I am looking for what most men in the USA are seeking…a good woman, a good heart, not a size 10-12 with an attitude and that WANTS a man. I am to the place I don’t even like going out socially,,I get almost ill looking at American women..they have evolved- I guess…but wow..who wants them.
But…the best thing..we USA men have a choice, thank goodness.
“I get almost ill looking at American women..they have evolved- I guess…but wow..who wants them.
But…the best thing..we USA men have a choice, thank goodness.”
Don’t you mean devolved??
Hi Philip,
I think you are on the right track for sure. Just try to learn all you can from this blog and take the leap.
Like most guys in the US and the West you will need to completely change your paradigm with how you look at Russian Women or FSU Women as opposed to Western ones.
Don’t go there defensive, carrying any emotional baggage or certainly not complaining about American women to the Russian Ladies you meet.. Since they have no concept of how American women are and mostly assume that all women are the “same” to them they will think that you are being mean spirited and this will drop your viability in their eyes. I’m not saying you will do any of this.. But just make sure you are very careful.
Other then that have a great time and good luck on your very important mission!
GL
Philip,
I’m at the same place as you are in regards to even trying with North American women. What’s the point when they are only sizing up your bank account rather than your potential as a mate? When I let it show that my finances are high it seems that I become more attractive but when I am running around in the truck instead of the Mercedes and wearing jeans and a t-shirt instead of slacks and a Nike golf shirt, I suddenly become invisible. Wow, ain’t that a big surprise. . .
So if the goal of the average NA woman is to pay attention on us based on a financial statement then I can promise you that I have absolutely no desire to be around them. T
The kicker to this story is from my own experience with a woman I met while havin’ beers with an old buddy at a hometown bar. We walked out and I almost tripped over a lady and her girlfriend walking down the sidewalk. After some giggles and a coffee we all went our separate ways. I ran into her again (not literally this time) and we began seeing each other. After several dates and some really fun times I was leaving for a business meeting and we talked about getting together upon my return. By then she had gotten to know a few of my friends, and I hers. Nothing was the same after I got back from my business trip. She would ask about doing things and if I hesitated she would say, “It’s not as if you can’t afford it, ya’ know.” Someone had apparently divulged a bit too much information while I was out of town but the bottom line is that once she knew more about my net worth, everything changed. It really sickened me because I had not seen any evidence of that type of thinking from her prior to that and I was actually starting to develop some strong feelings for her. What a huge disappointment, but at the same time not a big shock.
My concern with searching the rest of the world to find anything better is that we have become so very globalized that I find it hard to expect much better from a knowledgeable woman in any country. Sure the core values are different from place to place but in truth most intelligent people know what the world is made of and guys like us can be pretty easily swayed by the appearance of what looks like a long lost way of life.
Caution always, and good wishes on your quest.
Richard
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Interesting comment from you, Richard:
“I’m at the same place as you are in regards to even trying with North American women. What’s the point when they are only sizing up your bank account rather than your potential as a mate? When I let it show that my finances are high it seems that I become more attractive but when I am running around in the truck instead of the Mercedes and wearing jeans and a t-shirt instead of slacks and a Nike golf shirt, I suddenly become invisible. Wow, ain’t that a big surprise. . .”
I thought this website and its commenters were generally of the opinion that female beauty and male wealth/strength were the right and proper contributions of each gender to a relationship. (In addition to certain qualities that each must bring – loyalty, kindness, etc.).
In that case, what’s wrong with a girl trying to figure out what sort of protection she could get from her man? One way to do this is to evaluate the signals he is giving off about financial status. The male equivalent to this occurs when you look at her appearance to evaluate her beauty/fertility.
In other words, if it’s OK for men to dismiss a fat/old/ugly girl from consideration, isn’t it basically the same thing for a girl to dismiss a guy who looks poor?
Dawn,
To start I want to say that I have enjoyed your input in the past and generally look for your name around the recent post list. As a rule I respect your point of view so please don’t take the following as a personal attack, okay?
I think that any intelligent person today knows exactly what I mean by “only sizing up your bank account rather than your potential as a mate”.
Divorce for profit has become an industry in NA and it is a devious, destructive venture with no possibility of a positive long range outcome. Women looking for a “cash and go” marriage are NOT the sort of women the men here are looking for. Real men want to be with someone who has staying power. (not just in the bedroom) Real men want women with dignity and self respect. Real women are more concerned with a man’s value than his net worth.
Several years ago a friend of mine was shot in the head by three guys that he walked in on as his home was being robbed. While he was lying in a hospital bed and the prognosis was very poor, a nurse asked his wife if she was intending to stay with him. The wife said it took her a few minutes to even realize what the nurse had meant. Her answer was, “He’s my husband. What possible choice could I have?” You see the young nurse couldn’t imagine staying with a guy after something like that because all she viewed a man as was a combination of meal ticket and arm candy. My friend survived, learned to walk and talk all over again, watched his children grow up and is still very happily married to the same woman, who was his college sweetheart. This isn’t a TV script, though it easily could be. The point is that women like his wife were rare in NA twenty years ago and they are almost unheard of today.
I went car shopping one day about ten years ago. I was driving my 66 Malibu and wearing jeans and a Harley Davidson t-shirt. This was after spending the morning fishing on the Skagit River. I was ready to make an offer at a North Seattle Chrysler lot and asked the assistant sales manager about a two car deal. She looked at me like I was a loon and said she was busy. I stood there and watched her eat a KFC drumstick, drink a cup of coffee, tell a joke to a couple of salesmen and then start looking at a phone book. I made a two car deal later that day at another Chrysler dealership, buying a 96 Dakota pick up for me and a 97 Sebring convertible for my wife. Cash sale on two low mileage used cars. In the auto business that’s referred to as “a pounder”. In other words a very good deal for the salesman and the dealership. The female sales manager didn’t think I was worth her time and effort but the guy at the other lot sure did. Not only did he pocket around $800 in bonus money for a thirty minute deal, but I bought two more cars from him over the next few years.
What I’m getting at is this; many (if not most) NA women today are so f*ckin selfish and arrogant and stupid as to shoot their own foot and then scream about their pain, all of the time expecting someone else to take care of it for them. It’s an extension of the entitlement mentality, along with quota hiring and welfare for life. After all, why have a real life and/or career if you can get married for 2 or 3 years and make “daddy” pay your way for the next 10 or 20 years.
As far as “what’s wrong with a girl trying to figure out what sort of protection she could get from her man by evaluating the signals he is giving off about financial status” I can only say, “What isn’t wrong with that?” (in fact you shouldn’t trust any man who is flashing his money around to obviously because it probably means he’s a fraud) But your premise then, if I understand it correctly, is that you couldn’t possibly care less about a man’s strength of character, physical appearance or any admirable personality traits as long as he is packed with cash.
And you are wondering why men are on this site . . . . . . . . because . . . . . . . ?
Further, I don’t believe that a smart man would equate beauty with fertility. Beauty and fertility have nothing to do with one another. However, I do think that beautiful women make some pretty good looking babies. My ex is a pretty attractive woman though her illness has worn her down a lot, but our daughter is above average in looks. (okay so she looks more like me and I don’t mind the compliments I hear about how cute she is) But again, if it is all about looks we are not on the same page. I am much more attracted to a woman who is “in shape” than one who is drop dead stunning. That is not because my self image is low, but more because I have been around enough to know the difference as years go on. Healthy equates to fertility a lot more than beauty ever will. And in case you haven’t noticed the average NA woman lately, in shape means the shape of an old gym bag. Obesity is completely out of control on our continent and I am not searching for a potential mate who cares so little about herself as to actually put her health and life at risk because of it. I personally am not looking for “Bambi” or “Muffy” or any other dainty little 20 something that has the life experiences of a bag of chips. I understand that people’s weight and appearance changes all of the time but character is the rock; the foundation; the essence of who someone is, and that should never change.
A poor man who works, lives responsibly, and looks after his wife and family is an infinitely better husband than a rich man who doesn’t look after his family as he should. What I mean by poor is someone who doesn’t make enough money for high living but can keep his family fed, clothed, a roof over their heads and live in a dignified manner. You don’t need someone who abuses you, drinks to excess, gets arrested or does not be a father to his children. I know first hand that it takes two to raise kids, pure and simple. Looks by the way are one of the biggest traps women fall for, and that is why here they tend to marry thugs, players, and abusive jerks. Looks don’t count, character does.
Taras
Well, I agree. But I think Dawn’s point was that it doesn’t always come across that this is your attitude towards women as well.
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ok, i looooovvvveeee this thread
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a year ago i attended a high-profile, over the top wedding celebration in Udaipur, India, an old town splattered with palaces, chateaus, lake resorts,which basically served as venues for the wedding rituals that were a week long. The groom was a White American who has spent his whole life in the US, but in the course of his own selfmade export business ended up spending a lot of time in India and south east Asia, a majority of his business contacts being asian.So well he was marrying a beautiful Indian Hindu, her family being only
middle class he was financing the extravagant celebrations,A Treat for the Love of his Life, which his own family and friends and relatives were attending.
His parents were divorced and probably into their nth relationships…We and other indians on the brides side were frankly bewidered at how few couples were married in the grooms party, most of his friends had dragged with them to this celebration surly looking femmes which in our culture we would call…er…Aunties..given women reach that size when in their 50′s.
But thats not even compared to the attitudes we were dished, we were inadvertantly requested by the groom to take some of his female relatives shopping and sightseeing. Man oh Man..The fact that i can speak English somehow excused me from their assessment of us Asian Women as weak and oppressed, but ALL of them had their noses curled at Indian women, smiling and polite flowers like they were stinking of some third world pigpile !!!!
Not to mention the whole Sisterhood thing, they were patronising to the degree i found hard to be polite:((.
Not to mention their vapid ignorance of our Culture and us as women. They were amazed at how good i was at speaking English or that i knew what a lipstick is !!! I have no doubt the feminast propoganda had them convinced I was a mere oppressed third worl dbegger, A Desperate – for – Dollars – Half Woman who would probably jump if one of their Male counterparts hit on me..huh
Talk about Ignorance being Prozac for the ageing , Free Prostitutes…
It was after a year of begging, praying , pleading that the Indian Bride’s parents agreed to give away their Gem to a total white stranger after he proved his sincerity to these… far below his Income group Third World parents, and convincing them their daughter would be treated with the same respect and love. OH and one more thing..the ” Desperate ” Groom was a top of the line, 28 yr old Bachelor, not some pervert in his 40′s desperate for action
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Venusdeindia,
oppressed Third World AsianAnti-Feminast, Export Management Student, dying to get her greedy paw into Your White men,
thats to you Dana,Gene yadayada
I think there are women of every race and background that are beautiful, and there are women of every race and background that are ugly. Yes, I agree that American women are extremely more ignorant. But! Don’t let that skew your opinion on ALL American women. Believe it or not, there are many respectable beautiful American ladies out there that are supressed by this stereotype and deserve a chance. Remember: most of the time EVERY race gives the outsider a hard time.
Lauren,
If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times: Yes, there are quality women of every nationality. But the PERCENTAGES of quality women vary by nationality. There simply aren’t enough good American women to go around.
Hero,
You are absolutely right. Most American women are not even worth talking about. I also agree that most other countries are more traditional and have morals (unlike America), and I wish American would wake up and realize how to act. But, yes, there are simply not enough decent American women out there.
That is why many men are saying no to marriage. In a time when an American woman can cheat on her husband and engage in all sorts of wrong doing, including abusing her children, and still kick him out of the house he paid for, men are insane to play the odds. I for one would sooner defuse unexploded bombs and missiles than get married when the deck is that stacked against me in favor of these harridans and succubi who are ruining everything for the good ladies out there. And yes, I was married once, and after I found out what my now deservedly ex-wife was up to behind my back, I walked out on her. She conned a lot of people, including me but not for long in my case. And I have known for a long time a huge number of American women are just like her. I speak from the school of hard knocks here. The system rewards bad behavior on the part of women and punishes any behavior on the part of men. Thanks feminism and the government for both the death of love and the death of the family, soon to be followed by the collapse of the U.S.
Taras
Id like to remind people that Obesity is an epidemic that affects many nations….and is likely due to changes in the food we eat over the past century (eg : change of saturated fat to hydrogenated fats; increased sugars in food etc)
AND that its cause is the food industry, which has taken over from home cooking. So its not just feminism: its also entreprenurial capitalism.
Brian,
I believe in “Occam’s Razor”, a principle that says that when there are multiple explanations for something, the simplest one is usually the correct one. So, I think the reason women let themselves go is because they can! I mean, even the most repulsive chicks in the U.S. have quality husbands, boyfriends and fiances, so what incentive do they have to eat less and exercise?
“Blade, I presume you mean American women are really men trapped in a female body? They are indeed that. I call them, chicks with d***s”
What about Canadian, English and Australian women? There are not that different from American women.
brian,
There is certainly no question that the quality of our foods have reduced our standard of health over the past several decades, and that the pharmaceutical companies have loved every minute of it. By keeping us dependant on a highly corrupt and massively overpriced health care system we can all live longer but only on their terms and timetable. The food producers poison us and the doctors medicate us to get rid of the symptoms so that we will keep taking the poison. And there is also very little doubt that obesity is an epidemic in today’s world, primarily in North America.
However, the food industry, with all of its pitfalls and shortcomings can not take full credit for people who eat ridiculous amounts of food and rarely if ever get more exercise than walking to the fridge during commercials. The diet of most NAs is an embarrassment of over indulgence. Everyone’s just trying to get the most for their money even if it means dying of heart failure to get it. (Super Size It, man!) The low quality foods can account for an average person being 12 to 15 pounds overweight but (and again I’m speaking mostly of NA) the problems we are seeing now days are 50 to 80 or 100 to 150 pounds overweight. It is no longer rare to see a person who stands just five and a half feet tall weighing over 300 pounds. That’s about three times the normal weight to height ratio. That isn’t bad diet as much as simply eating everything in sight.
And PLEASE before anyone gives me the “some people have no control over it” or “sometimes it’s just a physical problem” stuff, Yes, I know that sometimes it is really a medical condition beyond the person’s control, but that is rare, okay?
Remember too that the industry giants and the politicians who allow them to poison us in a variety of ways are not entrepreneurs by any stretch of the imagination. Entrepreneurial capitalism is more benefit than detriment in most areas of our modern life. It is not the true entrepreneur who runs companies like Coca Cola, Mars Candies, Taco Bell or General Mills. And it isn’t the true entrepreneur who sits at the head of Nestle, McDonalds, L&M, Anheuser-Busch or any of these other suppliers of our decadence driven life styles. An entrepreneur is the grass roots, back yard, thinker and doer that takes a basic idea or need and creates a useful product or service. Dick and Mac McDonald were entrepreneurs because they knew that a good burger at a fair price would generate thousands of customers. Ray Kroc was an entrepreneur because he knew that turning a little burger stand into a franchise operation could make millions of dollars for thousands of hard working people while still creating basic employment for hundreds of thousands more people. But after the lawyers and the stuffed shirts got a hold of that company and many others like it, there was no place for quality food at a fair price. It was greedy, profit motivated, money grubbing pigs who turned ‘fast food’ into a bad thing.
What’s worse, is that now the food that we buy in the stores and take home to cook for our families isn’t a great deal better or safer that the ‘grease burger’ and ‘saturated fat fries’ served with an ice cold cup of ‘artificially sweetened cola substitute’.
The foods that we ate on the farm when I was a young boy would scare the hell out of a doctor or nutritionist today, yet old age is all that my family died of. Whole, unpasteurized milk, fresh cream and butter, eggs and bacon every morning, potatoes pan fried in bacon grease, and using fresh ground, unbleached, whole wheat flour for the bread we ate with every meal. Sugar cookies were a daily snack and I never saw a fat kid until I moved to the city. What’s more, we were almost never sick. We hardly ever had colds, flu, allergies or anything.
Fresh food that has not been sprayed, dipped, poked or soaked in chemicals, eaten in realistic quantities, along with regular physical activity will cure obesity. It’s just that simple. We’ve become fat because we are lazy and we are getting lazier because we are fat. And NA is leading the way.
I think the one main thing you can do for yourself is watch what food you put into your body. I’m so into this subject I almost became a nutritionist. Mmmm – nothing gets me going than organic food especially if I grew it myself!
Just want to add something I noticed – in some American feminist groups the more fat you are the more feminist you are. Thin feminists are looked down upon, obese women positively worshipped. Unbelievable but true.
I think here in Western Europe we have too much of this masculising ‘feminism’, of course, although I personally think we are different from America. To me at least I see a big difference when i meet Americans (in general). Every country produces a different sort of people.
Thanks for your thoughtful post Richard. The food-health issue is complex…and its made more so by the scientists who have misled people with various theories that demonised fods eaten for centuries. (esp the Cholesterol scare)
The obesity crisis is rare in places like the philippines…ive been there to see for myself. But common in the ‘first’ world.
For those interested in this issue id like to recommend the Weston price site:
http://www.westonaprice.org/
Im a natural bodybuilder and have long standing interest in this issue.
That is what I call many western women myself Kamilla, they are indeed “chicks with dicks.” To me, being involved with women like that is no different than being a homosexual in the company of other homosexuals. In other words, they’re completely repulsive to me.
Taras
Isn’t it a strange turn of events that NA has become a place where there is a certain status in being overweight and uninterested in looking the best one can.
When I was younger most guys complained and joked about how long it took the ladies to primp and prepare for a night out. Now it is the guys who are showing more attention to their appearance. Over the weekend I heard two women at a social event kidding their men about how long it took them to get ready that night.
Certainly a sign that things will not be improving too dramatically any time soon, I’m afraid.
Many years ago, women in order to look attractive to men, loaded themselves with dangerous tar based cosmetics!
Also women exercised little because muscles were seen as a male feature…which explains the swing for women between being fat and thin.
The past was not always a pardise.
I have been reading old articles recently (1920s to 1950s) for women my age and I do start to think they must have been better socially than today… not sure what to include as an example, but everyone WANTED and TRIED to be better people, in every way, manners, speech (articles on improving your voice!), makeup, hair, dress, etc., should never be slovenly. It warns against women (and men) dressing down and not caring about their appearance in front of their spouse/children and cites quotes from women who wouldn’t let their husbands see their hair pinned as it would be disrespectful to not look their best.
It’s such an eye-opener, and warm… I wish I had grandparents alive sometimes to discuss the differences between now and then. I think we could really learn some things. I would like half of the dignity of the old ladies I see in the street with their perfect hair and pearls :]
Yes, Bella, I totally agree with you! I wish there were more people (like our grandparents age) around. It will be sad when that generation dies off because that seems like the last decent age group with people that know manners, respect, honesty, and are NOT LAZY!
For all of you younger people who still remember how your grandparents spoke and related to others, it is not unrealistic to try fashioning your own lives around those standards. It may be the only chance for dignity and self respect to survive for our children and their children. What’s more, it will make your life have greater value to all of the really important people around you. It is not too late to care about who you are and the effect you have on others, and on the world.
This articlemay interest people here:
‘Science: Old men chasing young women: A good thing
Date Posted: Friday 16-Jan-2009
It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.
Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.
“Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole,” Puleston said. “It’s advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes.”
“Why Men Matter: Mating Patterns Drive Evolution of Human Lifespan,” was published Aug. 29 in the online journal Public Library of Science ONE. Shripad Tuljapurkar, the Morrison Professor of Population Studies at Stanford; Puleston; and Michael Gurven, an assistant professor of anthropology at UCSB, co-authored the study in an effort to understand why humans don’t die when female reproduction ends.
etc
http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=41455&
One of the more suprising things I noticed from the beginning of my trip to Siberia is that many of these girls, especially the ones that most of us would end up meeting, i.e. over the internet, are not traditional in their way of being. I found meny of them to want to have jobs, careers, and be independant minded. The only major and dramatic differences of them is that they are beautifully feminine and that they want to have children at an earlier age. They are modern women with a modern way of being. Of course I visited one of the tope 10 largest cities in Russia so it would make sense for them to be more forward in their thinking.
If you truly have your heart set on a more traditional girl don’t think you will find her over the internet, and if you do you will be extremely lucky. You will even have a difficult time in a city even, unless one of these girls has recently moved in from an outlying town. They are hidden away in smaller towns so you will really have to go looking.
SunnyInSanDiego, this wouldn’t have come as a such surprise to you if you’ve taken a proper look at the Russian culture and history (as a part of Slavic culture and history). And the role of women in it. Then you would have learned that Russia hardly ever was a patriarchal society like most of medieval Europe. Russian women were hardly ever passive and they are normally full of ambitions. Russian legends, fairy tales and classic literature is full of strong female characters. In fairy tales there’s always Marya the skilful or Vasilisa the wise, or someone described as beautiful, but as it turns out later she’s also the wise. They are a lot of diferent characters as warrioresses, avengers, sorceresses, princesses etc and they are usually throughly described, not as “princess sat in her ivory tower” (that is so very commom for anglo-saxon world) the only thing you know about her that she’s beautiful beyond believe. And these all are traditional roles for Russian women. There’re actually 3 common types of female characters in Russian literature :1) loving woman in trouble 2)demonic character whos callenging men’s cultural norms 3) heroic character. Which of them non existant timid wife belongs to, I wonder? ( Russian tradition tells me to put her into 1st category).
And as for the most traditional role for Russian women it’s a role of a mother, you are right in this respect.
Russian women, as Nekrasov once said “are to stop galoping horses and to enter burnig houses. So as you see we have different ideas of what traditional is.
SunnyInSanDiego, this wouldn’t have come as a such surprise to you if you’ve taken a proper look at the Russian culture and history (as a part of Slavic culture and history). And the role of women in it. Then you would have learned that Russia hardly ever was a patriarchal society like most of medieval Europe. Russian women were hardly ever passive and they are normally full of ambitions. Russian legends, fairy tales and classic literature is full of strong female characters. In fairy tales there’s always Marya the skilful or Vasilisa the wise, or someone described as beautiful, but as it turns out later she’s also the wise. They are a lot of diferent characters as warrioresses, avengers, sorceresses, princesses etc and they are usually throughly described, not as “princess sat in her ivory tower” (that is so very commom for anglo-saxon world) the only thing you know about her that she’s beautiful beyond believe. And these all are traditional roles for Russian women. There’re actually 3 common types of female characters in Russian literature :1) loving woman in trouble 2)demonic character whos callenging men’s cultural norms 3) heroic character. Which of them non existant timid wife belongs to, I wonder? (Russian tradition tells me to put her into 1st category).
And as for the most traditional role for Russian women it’s a role of a mother, you are right in this respect.
Russian women, as Nekrasov once said, “are to stop galoping horses and to enter burnig houses”.
So as you see we have different ideas of what traditional is.
Didn’t mean to post twice thought it didn’t come through.
hey I’m 26yr old from sydney Australia and it’s funny cause I have been thinking and feeling these things for a while now about western women.It’s not that I can’t get a girlfriend I’ve had heaps it’s just it always ends up with me having to change who I am or submit to a nazi bitch of a girl that started out like a princess. Western women are very good at manipulation and control I spose they have to be when the majority of them resemble a sumo in training. So anyway decided to do some research and up comes this site and I agree totally. Western women are warped and becoming like men in every sense of the word.There is very few real women left here in Australia. I haven’t been to America but it sounds much the same as the situation we have here. I did some traveling through Asia and it opened my eyes to what a real women is and how a family is spose to function. Haven’t been to Russia but from the advise given on this page it will defiantly be my next trip
I was surfing the web tonight and came across this site. I appreciate the fact that the people here are exercising their rights to date whomever they want, however, I’m appalled at the comments by both American men, and women on here. The back biting is unbelievable and shows all of you as ugly Americans (some of the canadians, and aussies aren’t looking too pretty, either)to the Russian women, or whomever else, you are trying to turn-on at this site. As an outsider, I can tell you that this blog doesn’t paint a very pretty picture of you if you are looking for a wife.
For the Russian women, and other ladies who are reading this blog, I’d just like you to know that not all American women are feminazies, or the awful bitches some of the men (and women?) are making them seem like here. I apolgize for their rudeness, and hateful attitudes.
Their are many American women, like myself, who are happily married to their American men. I have been married for 25 years (to the same man!), and we have raised three children together…one child is still at home, the other two are grown and on their own. I’ve been a stay-at-home mom these past 25 years, but also enjoy making a bit of money on the side by stretching my creativity (from home) as an artist/craftsman and writer. I know many American women who have been with their husbands for long times, and have raised nice families. Their children, and family life, is everything to them, as are their grandchildren!
American women aren’t all perfect, just as Russian women aren’t all perfect, but the majority are not the awful creatures portrayed here by some of these men (and by some of the women).
Just know that you are getting a very lopsided picture of American women at this site.
Thanks for reading,
Nite
Here is a very easy to read book (as a free PDF download) to help our resilient but also sweet and beautiful Russian ladies get a different perspective:
“If Men Have All The Power How Come Women Make The Rules?” at
http://www.rulymob.com/ifmenhav.pdf
After reading the book, anyone who wants to make a donation to the author can click on the link in the top right corner of the homepage (www.rulymob.com), which also has reviews of “Good Will Toward Men: Women Talk Candidly About the Balance of Power Between the Sexes”.
John,
Thanks for posting this pdf file.
I’ve only read a short bit of it so far, but I can see how it shows the imbalance of ideas towards men (as well as women, in some instances) in the US.
We do have our problems here in the US between men and women, but I, for one, would never give up our American men.
I don’t blame Russian women for looking towards the US (and other western countries) for husbands.
I think they sorely desire the relationship we American men and women have with one another, even with some of its downfalls. They see the strengths in our relationships, and they want it for themselves….despite what some, at this site, may think.
Nite
You are right. I can testify that american feminism is sucking ALL the good qualities out of all women I know personally. If they are pretty, they hang off a buff guy (who is most likely an a$$hole) or they let themselves sink to the lowest standard, like my aunt.
She is grossly obese, swears a lot, and has terrible manners. It is really painful to have to be out in public with her and if you try to bring it up she explodes in a huge ball of militant feminism.
One of my peers at school is a nice person, but she keeps dying her hair pink, and has a half-million piercings. Personal expression is not wrong, but it just makes her look trashy.
We (as the guys) all dress according to roughly 3 styles, and we express our selves through achievement and voicing our opinion. this seems to be an unknown concept to the majority of american women who try to express themselves the easy way (physically) and then try to conform to the feminist ideas, effectively lowering the standards of the norm.
I’m sorry if that was ranty, but that’s the way it is as I see it.
Hi Nite,
I think that you are one of the good ones, and you certainly are not the only one. But good women can be hard to find.
I posted the link to the pdf file to provide a bit of context for the experiences that the men here have been describing.
Women need to appreciate how men are often treated, and how that can affect them. And men need to remember that, regardless of where we are, we sometimes see only what we expect to see, instead of what is actually there.
John
Nite,
I have read the recent posts from you and from John, and I respect your point of view as well as your personal success in life and marriage. However I think you would have to admit that you are the exception by today’s standards rather than the rule. First of all you have been married longer than many of the participants on this site have been alive which certainly means that the dynamics of dating, relationships and marriage have changed. Please realize that the relationships going on in their world are horrendous on the best of days. My parents were married for nearly 60 years when my dad died. What’s more, that was not terribly uncommon for the couples of their generation. Since you and I are likely close in age I’m sure you would agree that we both know several couples who have been married as long as you and your husband have. Again, the exception, not the rule. Now, if we knock it down one more generation to the “twenty-somethings” out there, what do you suppose their expectation is on marital longevity? If they are like 60 to 65 percent of their peers their ‘first’ marriage will last 5 years or less.
All of that said, what are some of the likely culprits that could be responsible for this breakdown in strong, secure marriages? Well, the consensus here seems to be that the primary reason is a direct correlation with the feminist movement. Growth of feminism equals the decline in family values. While it may be hard to actually ‘prove’ this theory, the coincidences are unavoidable. Some people call this the ‘post feminist’ era but I would say that this is not true. We are still very much in the grip of feminism and anyone who takes an open minded 30 minute look around at the advertising, promotion and entertainment in North America and most of the rest of the world would say that the signs are more than obvious. Our daughters are being taught ‘divorce for profit’ and other entitlement philosophies every day. Morals and character are not only getting less support now, they are actually discouraged in favor of short cuts to some sort of material possession utopia. Self respect and dignity were once taught to young women. In today’s world those concepts are cocktail party punch lines. When we were teenagers it was normal to be encouraged to be 50/50 partners in marriage. As adults we were told that marriage is a 100/100 proposition. Now we are told that marriage is 100-vs-100. There is no longer any concept of marriage as interdependence. Young women today are being told that “they” are the most important person in a marriage. The individual is greater than the sum of both parts. This couldn’t be further from the truth and we know that from the most basic organisms up to the highest life forms. Teams can always do more than the combined total of the individuals working alone.
North American marriages and families are in crisis and it is in no small part because of the feminist movement. I don’t believe for a minute that the majority of North American women think like you. In fact I think it would be impossible to prove that they do. And though I agree these women are not all devils incarnate, I firmly believe that it is harder now than at any other point in history for a man of character to find a woman of equal character. As the right wingers complain over what is being lost and the liberals and feminists brag about every little victory, the numbers they all show are the same. Stable, traditional families in North America are on borrowed time.
Richard,
I agree with what you have to say. I only want to add a few things. I like to say that the feminist movement, to me, is “far beyond driven.” In its early stages, the steps it took to secure women’s rights were good. However, now it has swung the pendulum way too far, and is now doing as much harm as the Victorian era the preceded it. Women, and society, are not benefiting from what the feminist movement now stands for. There are plenty of other things to blame for the current state of affairs in the Western world, but feminism has reached its limits.
The breakdown of the family unit and the end of stable marriages built on love will eventually kill America if we do not take steps to correct it. I personally believe it starts and ends with the decline in basic Christian values on which this country (America) was built. I am not normally one to preach to people, but it is clear that in my parents and grandparents generation, the family was most important and that was supported by certain values, morals, and beliefs. Today, people claim to be Christian, but very few actually live that life day to day. The church is in just as much crisis as everyone else, and if we lose the church, then we have really lost our saving grace.
To me, this is not so much about good Russian women vs bad American women as it is about what do we really value in life. We (meaning Westerners) have become way to materialistic and individualistic and no longer care about making others lives better. If we learned to take better care of ourselves, be honest with ourselves and others, and value what is most important in life, then I think we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Yes, there is a numbers problem over in FSU countries with more eligible women than men, and I am more than happy to be part of the solution. Yes, I know plenty of good women here in America as well, but most are older than me (I am 25), married, engaged, or swear they belong to someone. It just comes down to what do we value most in life and each other.
Open Arms,
I completely agree with you. Also, I think your comments are positive and meaningful.
The whole feminist thing, as you say, had some helpful results for a while. Unfortunately, we (North Americans) always seem unsatisfied with bringing a ‘wrong’ just back to ‘right’. We inherently keep pushing until it has done a complete 180 and ends up just as harmful but in the other direction.
You have also hit the core issue facing the Christian world today which is the church’s inability to see its parishioners living the life they profess on Sunday mornings. We are sure on the same page in these regards. I fear for the church as much as the American family unit. I guess the question is who is going to save these things we hold true?
To paraphrase something a great person once said, “Chaos ensues when enough good people do nothing”.
It seems to me that the FSU with all of its situations is just another option for westerners seeking something different or better, or maybe just more like they recall from their own past. In my travels I have found that the old fashion values still exist more prevalently just about everywhere else. Pretty sad, I know, but that’s been my observation.
Hope to see more of your thoughts sometime.
To everyone in their mid twenties,
It has been only in my lifetime that the moral decay has spread so deeply into every corner of the social landscape. Many argue that America, and Canada too, are not Christian nations and in fact never were, but history is there to prove the contrary. It was flight from religious persecution which began the settlement of North America and it was strong hearted, highly devoted Christians who led the revolution which secured our sovereignty.
Each time outspoken, worldly thinking individuals pop up and shout down the cornerstones of our free system it chips away at our fundamental rights and leaves cracks it the moral mortar that holds the structure together.
With each decade our children see less and less of the fabric that built our nation and at the same time learn to accept more and more of the veiled promise of entitlement. Character has been replaced with 30 minute solutions to every challenge that life has to offer and with no real consequence to their actions no matter how grave the results. My peers saw families stay together in spite of hardships because of their promise to stick it out for better or worse.
Many in your generation see that way of thinking as outdated and lacking in any real value to most people. My generation grew up preaching free love and your generation can’t even define love.
We’ve both missed the point.
In the thirty years between my birth and yours, family has dissolved into a pastel replica of what it was intended to be.
My parents attended many 50th wedding anniversary parties. My friends and I rarely ever attend any 25th wedding anniversary parties even though the vast majority of us had been married within five years of leaving high school in 1971.
A large portion of the hurt I feel today is not for my own failure to be married one time for the rest of my life but rather for the people your age who have the deck so stacked against them. All of your peers are facing odds that no gambler would ever challenge. What further shakes my being is that my 9 year old daughter will almost certainly become an adult in a much harsher environment with regards to marriage and family. In fact, if the current trends continue unchecked it is not out of the realm of possibility that marriage could be completely done away with by then. If that sounds ridiculous, consider this; when you were born there were still many places in North America where kids could pray in school, government buildings could still set up Christmas trees in their foyer, Christian inscriptions could still be openly displayed in public offices and religious rights included Christians.
The ‘melting pot’ is boiling over and there’s nobody in the kitchen to keep an eye on it.
While most great ideas have been highly beneficial to our nation, the simple reality is that all of those ideas have been allowed to go unchecked until they have become dangerous and destructive to everyone who lives here. Even Communism and Socialism by design have great value to a free nation but in practice they have become dirty words in any democratic society. Not because the idea was bad but rather because individuals abused the power behind the idea for personal gain. Immigration, labor unions, social security, welfare, food stamps, feminism, the equal rights amendment and even the IRS are all great ideas but were left open ended until they took on lives of their own and now the only people benefiting from those ideas are the ones who abuse the very concepts.
Corruption on every possible level yields the only true beneficiaries of any of these ideas and ideologies today. People who really need social benefits can’t get them while the ones who do get the benefits are driving Cadillacs and wearing gold jewelry. Honest immigrants are sent home for forgetting the date of their great grand mother’s wedding while illegals in the US number in the millions. Poor Americans are refused treatment in many hospitals because they have no insurance while someone who can’t speak our national language (yes we DO have one, voted on and adopted by the Continental Congress) are accepted under blanket policies enacted for the fair treatment of potential immigrants. The equal rights amendment created a new American terminology; reverse discrimination. And these examples go on and on.
To bring this back to somewhat of a direct connection to this site, I have told before of the “women’s rights rally” that I attended with some female friends in the early 70s. Each and every speaker denounced marriage as an outdated, even archaic form of indentured servitude which trapped and exploited women. Each of them openly and militantly accused any man who asked a woman’s hand in marriage of intended rape and unlawful imprisonment. I left there thinking that I was lucky that I had not been hung as an example to men everywhere. While women’s rights were needed in terms of parity for hiring and pay in jobs, there was never any sign that I could find while watching this whole thing develop, which promoted women as dignified, respectful, or even as ‘womanly’. It was a totally head on, masculine, take the fight to the enemy sort of mentality which powered the movement. Equality was a buzz word to hopefully strengthen the women listeners while not overly offending the men. It was used frequently with cunning intent. Truth be known, even then, there was no interest for equality by the leaders of the women’s movement. Typically of people who have lived with too much freedom, success was an all or nothing proposition. Men were to be ‘removed from power’ and women were to take the reigns. While the concept of feminism may have had a bright and rosy paint job, the only colorful result of the actual practice of feminism has been the blood of dying families.
World War II respectfully acknowledged our need and even dependence on women within the work force. From that point on, a small handful of disgruntled feminists flaunted that respect and used it as a weapon to insight and misdirect women throughout North America against the foundations of our society. The message was of victimization and rebellion. We now live in the muddy remnants of that battlefield. A landscape once sunny and filled with opportunity now bleeds with discontent and confusion under darkened skies.
As you know, children need parents. Not one parent, or some here and there parents or parents who lack understanding and acceptance of genealogy and gender. Be it God or be it nature, we are designed to mate, one man and one woman, to create and raise our offspring and to teach them by example how to continue to do the same, hopefully bettering the quality of life for each subsequent generation. We are no longer there. It is evident in our children and it is evident in our world.
Remove the mortar from between the stones and the walls will tumble. Our spiritual base and moral conviction was that mortar and it is eroding at alarming speed.
Hi,
This is Nite, again. I’m logged in as obsidian moon because I finally made a site here, and will eventually be posting some stuff to it. Don’t go to it, now, cause there ain’t nothing there to read as of yet! lol
Richard, and OA have hit many nails on their heads. They’ve created a nice overview of the “change afoot” in the US. However, there has always been change afoot in the US, and especially since the “invasion” of our european ancestors. Some of the changes have been good, some not so good, or at least…not to all of our like-ings(?). Everyone can’t be pleased.
However, change is not new to any country, and no country can stay stagnant. Sometimes old traditions, and attitudes do create stagnation. One I can think of right off hand was our parents, and grandparents attitude of keeping hush-hush on things in the family such as teen pregnancies, incest, alcoholism, physical and mental abuse, and mental illnesses. Those family members that suffered such things (and it invariably caused pain throughout the entire family)never got the mental, physical and spiritual help they needed, and they suffered in silence. Not an old attitude, or tradition, I would like to jump right back into. And so, the so called “good old days” were not always so good in the US. Spouses got away with beating on each other at times, and people turned a blind eye.
No matter how much I, nor anyone else, may not like to admit it, feminism did pull people from such hells as these. They pushed for the services, and safe houses that helped these individuals when their own family members would not do anything except continue such abuses. So, yes, feminism does have its uses, and although I don’t consider myself to be a true, blue feminazie(spelling?), I will support it in such worthy efforts. Heck, I’ll support just about anything if I see it contributing in a helpful manner.
Change is afoot, and no older generation likes to see it coming. I don’t always like to see what is coming down the road for my children, but, at the same time I have faith that they are being prepared for it on some level. They must be, or else this inevitable change would not be taking place. We rolled with all the punches, and changes we went through, so will they. Americans are tough people. We come from tough stock. And, although our country may resemble a deck of cards that has been tossed into the air, right now, those cards will have to settle sometime. Having a positive attitude about our future, and especially about our childrens future can only help to create newer and better ways. Even if that means the dieing out of some of the older traditions and attitudes, and the taking-up of newer ones. Maybe that is what our children will need, and it may serve them well. What they will encounter on a different level in life than us, may set them up to handle what will be coming at them in the future. We cannot sit here, and be judges, saying for certain that it isn’t.
Just as the seasons change, all else must change, too, and there are going to be “birthing pains” with the change. You and I will not be here forever. Each generation must take up the banner and walk with it, towing the past with them and reshaping certain things from it to create their own lives….not ours. Remember, you and I aren’t going to be here forever. They must create their own lives, even if they are based upon some of the earlier foundations we, and our ancestors, laid. We did it, they will, too.
Because of my age, and because I have children who are teens as well as young adults, I’ve been exposed greatly to the younger generations coming up. And, with all their tatooes, and piercings, and tight pants, and wild hairdos, I can still see a sparkling, unique brilliance beneath it all that I think is going to eventually shock us oldsters (in a good way!) if we are lucky enough to live that long.
No doubt our parents and grandparents had bad feelings about us back in the 60′s and 70′s. They knew we were different, but I don’t think they actually realized that we were going to be the ones to fling open the doors to chaos that has made it able for change to come about so rapidly today. And, by the way, the nature of chaos is…. Up in the air one moment, and settled the next. Rest assured that our generation was not the first great chaos instigators in this country (Washington and that crew did a very nice job as well!), and will not be the last.
Nite
Well, I’m back. Yes, I’m very verbose today!
Looks like I’m working on a novel, right? lol
But anyway, since I really didn’t say anything that even pertained to the subject of this blog, or slavic women in general, in my last post, I thought I’d put something to that affect in this one. Also, this is just something that I think is important for some of you to know.
What originally brought me here to this site was my usual search for all things Slavic. I love to read about the Slavic people, their traditions, history, most anything, and this site came up on my radar when I was searching.
I’m a Ukrainian American, so you can imagine ‘why’ my interest is so deep on the Slavs.
I grew-up surrounded by tough, durable native slavic women such as my mother, grandmother, aunts, and female cousins.
Reading the comments on this blog gives me the sense that there are a handful of men, here, that have a very romantic idea of Slavic women.
Yeah, it’s true….we are very beautiful women, if I do say so myself, BUT, we are not the sex kittens, or the geisha girls, or the dainty, fragile flowers that these particular romantic fellas seem to radiate in their comments about us.
I think its only fair, and beneficial, for the romantics to be forewarned, some, about what a slavic woman is really like. Instead of thinking “fragile flower” think more along the lines of “work horse”.
No doubt there are slavic women laughing at what I just wrote, because they know what I’m referring to.
Russia doesn’t necessarily value its women because of their beauty, and femininity (those things are obvious), they value them mainly because they have always been the backbone of the economy, and particularly the work force. And, they still are!
For whatever reason, slavic men have the reputation for being lazy. I’ve never understood this one since my grandfather was a work horse himself, and a couple of my slavic uncles died fairly young from heart attacks, because they worked themselves to death. But still, the reputation is there. However, the women are well known for working, and working, and working, and working, and working, and….
well, you get the picture.
But anyway, I notice that the moderater of this site does a real injustice to these romantic men by not dowsing their amourousness, a bit, and bring them back to earth when he/she sees this. Then again, maybe this moderator is some how benefiting from these romantic men. Who knows…
The men on here that have more realistic expectations of slavic women (we’re beauties, but not goddesses…we have faults), will do well with them despite any surprises they may encounter (and there will be surprises!). However, the real romantics, I’m afraid, are going to have a rude awakening. Sorry guys…
I do appreciate the time and effort a few of you have put into your comments recently. I’ve learned quite a bit from them, as well as from this site in general.
I wish you all the best of luck on your journey to find a mate.
Nite
Change without regard for the consequences not only creates legions of alienated people, it often drives people to oppose and or reverse them with bloodshed and destruction. If you don’t think so, then study the history of my Ukrainian and Russian ancestors and see for yourself why reckless pursuit of change has lead to the deaths of tens of millions in Eastern Europe since the turn of the 20th century. That is what my father’s family fled from. Some of the people behind them had noble intentions, but as Richard correctly stated, what they did ran out of control and became an agent of evil and destruction instead. It will be no different here. Change is part of the landscape yes, but to embrace change without thinking or question is beyond reckless, it’s suicidal. The 19th century Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko had this bit of advice for future generations. “Absorb from all cultures but forget not one’s own.” We are doing just that right now and another one that is utterly alien and hostile to native born Americans is taking shape right in front of us. That can only lead to one thing, war and violence.
Taras
I appreciate your comments, Richard, and I will continue to add my thoughts in every now and then. It is sorry to see how we Americans can take such noble purposes and turn them on their head for our own self gratification. Someone once told me, very insightfully, that the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I agree that changes are necessary and generally a good thing, when they are benefiting more than just a few people. But I cannot agree that the majority of the changes in America recently have been for the better. At the same time, I still support my country and will fight to make it better in any way I can. I am not the kind of person to give up and leave when times get tough. I do think we will manage to turn things around for the better, eventually. But it might take a lot of people getting hurt before we all start to realize what we have done.
That being said, I am not out to save the world, or even the country, by myself. All I can do is to live my life to the best of my ability, doing God’s will and following His plan, and hoping to save a few people along the way. There will always be better and worse people in the world. I strive to be one of the better ones and help the worse ones when I can.
As for Slavic women and men, I can see what Nite is saying. Although, personally, I would not see my future wife as a sex kitten, geisha, or the like, regardless of what country she was from. Nor would I ever keep her from doing work if that is what she wanted to do. Love is about giving of yourself to make the other person’s life better. When two people give, they both receive as well. That is how marriages are supposed to work. And they are work! Which is why I believe most American marriages fail, because we are so spoiled and used to getting what we want, that when we are presented with a challenge, it is much easier to part ways than truly work at it. Slavic women know how to persevere in hard times; they are used to working hard to live a good life. This is why so few international marriages fail, because it is so much work to make it happen that the couple is dedicated to making it work.
This is the reality, but please do not “douse” my romanticism of a happy marriage and family. Without romantic feelings towards each other, marriages would be no more than a contract. Some might fantasize a bit too much about who Slavic women really are, and that can be dangerous, but I see nothing wrong with hoping for the best in your future spouse. Again, it is not about Slavic women being inherently “better” than American women. It is a choice to use all options to find the best life partner for me. I would not marry anyone who does not love me, or whom I do not love, regardless of nationality.
I gave Nite the benefit of the doubt when she presumed to apologize for supposed “rudeness and hateful attitudes” of others. But now, because of her allegations and familiar feminist half-truths, I no longer think that she could be “one of the good ones”.
I, too, am of Slavic ancestry, and I have observed, in many places and over many years, that Slavic women tend to be direct, but also caring and kind, and to be resilient and strong, but in a feminine way, and not as Nite’s emotional and mental Clydesdales.
I have seen that a great many Slavic women have the nature that GL has described, and that a surprisingly large number are like Mascha, whose sweet spirit was revealed through her own words on video.
As far as “romantic ideas” being a problem, that opinion can be interpreted in different ways, depending on the definitions that are assumed.
Worshiping a woman, in a way that makes her feel expected to provide leadership, cannot work as the basis of a traditional relationship.
A real woman will be delighted to relax and be the woman in your relationship, if you give her the freedom to do so, by providing leadership, stability and security. She will love being your partner in whatever romantic ideas you dream up (even the silly ones), if she trusts and respects you as the man able to protect her from everything, including herself.
But the possibility of being able to experience life at a higher level with and through your soul mate is quite real. It depends on the need and ability to form deep emotional connections, and the extent to which experiencing each other and taking care of each other brings pleasure.
This is a very intense way of being your partner’s “other-half”, and it is independent of nationality. In any case, the types of relationships being discussed on this site require, at a minimum, that men and women have good will toward each other. And GL is showing how to look where compatibility is most likely to be found.
And we should not be discouraged by interpretations of Russian culture and folklore by those who lack fundamental understanding. It is quite easy for one who has not lived the ethos to recognize the words but miss the point.
It has been fun watching this site develop over the past couple of years. I applaud rw_man for getting it to us and maintaining it so well. While most blog sites reek with attitude and confrontation, which ultimately gives them little more value than the walls of a gas station bathroom, this one has seemed to stay focused and respectful of the various thoughts and viewpoints shared.
Undoubtedly I may spend some time here that could be more personally useful following other pursuits but I find the level of discussion here to be of value to others and highly educational for myself. Even though much of this information is not necessarily new to me the perspectives and reasoning shared by others can be truly enlightening. For that reason I thank you all for your thoughtful comments and frank opinions.
Nite,
I really like the way you have laid out the nature of change. It certainly isn’t rare for each generation to ponder the viability of the next with their radical departures from the status quo. I know that we baby boomers were dealt with in utter disbelief with our long hair, patched bell bottoms and tie died t-shirts. But my parents and their ‘fast dancing and gyrations’ were no less shocking to my grandparents, and so on. So I agree with you on the premise that change is inevitable and that our children must find and follow their own direction, as will their children. I also agree that without change (growth) there is stagnation and I believe that stagnation is either a prelude to or the result of something dying. We must continue to grow and develop and that requires change.
It seems that many of us here also agree that not all change is for the better but we make our best efforts and sometimes we fail. We should grow and learn from our failures as well as our successes, but to me the nature of North American society is to ignore our failures and continue along similar paths without accepting the fact that those failures should redirect our thinking to some degree. In a laboratory environment scientists will try dozens, hundreds or even thousands of unsuccessful experiments while attempting to cure a disease or conquer a problem. Other than sometimes duplicating a particular series to check for errors, the technicians merely log the failures and move to a new idea. In the social and political ‘laboratory’ of America we are apparently unwilling to stop running the same tests over and over and over again despite the little nagging fact that it continues to fail. We have become so selfish and so bent on satisfying our own personal list of wants and desires that we rarely follow through on ideas that better the masses. There was a time, though fraught with change and radical departures from the accepted norm, that we Americans looked at the good of the whole rather than pandering to the few. We have become a nation and a people consumed by ‘flash pan’ politics and self centered greed. Rarely anymore do we band together as one united country and take on a challenge which can potentially help the majority in our population. I just find it all so disheartening.
Taras,
I think you might have a very real grasp of the daunting possibilities ahead. It is not always a popular stand to express how bad things might get because we all want a better outcome, but with so much apathy it would be hard to imagine this is all going to somehow ‘work itself out’. Ben Franklin said something to this effect; “If I am prepared for the worst, an average day becomes a success”. And he was an optimist. I don’t think we have to dwell on the negative but I don’t think we should let it surprise us either.
Open Arms,
I’m sure with you on trying to save the world single handedly. We may be frustrated and even might feel broken by it all sometimes but like you said, we can’t give up and we can live our life as a good example for others. There are so many times when I just want to buy a hundred acres in the middle of nowhere with a few horses, a good dog and some gardening and hunting supplies. But then I think about it decide my best opportunity to play a small part in bringing back some honor to this world might be by staying in close proximity to the ‘battlefield’.
I’m like you regarding the ‘sex kitten’ or ‘geisha’ types. I learned a long time ago that all of the ‘bambi’ types in the world don’t equal a normal, everyday woman with some self respect and a touch of dignity. I also like the ideology of the Slavic women and their fortitude. It seems as if most men are ultimately more interested in character than cuteness. (not that I have anything against boiling hot, drop dead, good looks)
So how do we take the best of this knowledge about our strong and beautiful FSU friends and apply it to the needs we have for developing a secure family and future? Do all of us guys just start buying airline tickets and spend a few months on the other side of the pond doing some legwork? We have probably all seen or at least heard the stories about financial scams and marriage for green cards. There are some major hurdles to cross which are inherent in pursuing such long distance relationships. I for one would like to find or help create the system that might assist in making some of our dreams a reality. As much as I respect the thought of packing up and moving, with no real knowledge of what we might be getting into, that process is clearly not the answer for everyone. I am currently trying to put together a plan for taking my daughter on a little fact finding mission to Russia this spring or early summer. With the economic situation as it is there are several deals to be had in the world of travel. This might be one of the best opportunities in a very long time to take advantage of the deflated markets. If anyone has some thoughts on the travel side of this, please add them to the site.
Best wishes, everyone. Thanks for all of the insights.
If I might add a couple more insights to this discussion:
I am a Catholic, and as such, we are looking forward to the season of Lent on the church calendar. This is a time for us to reflect on our sins, mistakes, and failings of the past year. It is also a time for making sacrifices in our lives, and to remember the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus through the cross. As such, I have been doing much reflecting on this lately. I believe that collectively as Americans, not just Catholics, that we need to embrace the attitude of sacrifice more in our lives. Americans have it much easier than people in the rest of the world, which leads us to become spoiled, so when we do have difficult situations, we panic and complain because we do not know how to handle it. I personally spent 8 days last September without electricity, and that experience taught me not just to be thankful for what I had, but it showed me how much we value things over people these days.
At the same time, I am not trying to put down my Eastern friends by making them look like they are all destitute and impoverished and it is our job to come over and save them. In fact, if anything, I think Easterners are in many ways stronger and happier than those in the West. They value family and respect others. They stick together when times are tough. They do not need the latest gadget to make them feel special. They are proud of who they are and where they come from. And despite what the media likes to portray, they are not after a green card, but rather the true love of a worthy man and family. They would leave their family, friends, and all they know, for love and a family of their own. What would we sacrifice for the same thing?
I think the best thing we can do, Richard, is to get on a plane and go. We can read all we want, see pretty pictures, and even write a few emails, but there is just something different about being there in person. Being able to experience the culture, language, and people face to face, from what I hear, is a life changing event. As you said, now is one of the best times to go, if you have the ability. I was hoping to visit Ukraine later this year, but it all depends on my level of financial stability. How you travel is basically dependent on your comfort level and personal goals, but no matter how you get there, the important thing is the first hand experience. And if you desire marriage and family, I am sure the local women will be as happy to meet you as you are to meet them!
I would also suggest you take a look at foreignbride101.com. I am good friends with the guy who is behind the site (who actually married a woman from Russia himself) and there is a bunch of good information specifically about the foreign bride process. You can even listen to Russian and Ukrainian women talk about their lives and search for a life partner! (Of course, if any such ladies are reading this, then I would love to hear your thoughts and feelings as well.) But at any rate, it is all about good people meeting each other, learning something new, and finding out if love is in the air. The world is a very different place, and the more of it we can experience, the better people we will be.
Why are there so many Russian mail order bride agencies ‘selling’ off beautiful Russian women to American men? Why do they come here? I have my doubts. Why do they need to be ‘sold off’ to rich men here?
Of course Politics and Religion aren’t the easiest subjects to digest. Especially by a misinformed culture. You cannot see the whole problem as I cannot see your’s. It is just as hard for women to find love and value from men. Eventually I believe women move from that to be independent and enjoy education and being of value in other ways. It is just different here and we have our adversity that we overcome.
Very interesting to read!!! Somewhat hostile and angry and makes one wonder. I would be considered a Western Woman, I am not from the US but from Canada. i ahve not yet had the priviledge ot travel to Russia, buta dear friend of mine has gone many times. I do knwo of personally 2 men who had Russian brides and it turned out very badly. By the time they got them over here to Canada one bride left immediatly, using the gent as a free ride and the other they were married for a few years, had a child which she took of with. I know these are on ly two incidents but they are the only two that I know of.
This being said, I still have to agree that woman seem to have lost their most desirable and womanly qualities. They are certainly allowing themselves to be devoured in a mans world and although they may be barely surviving it, it is not being done with grace nor happiness. Men in the Western world seem to have lost their conviction and manliness which is only compunding a bad situation as women do not seem to have the proper respect for them. There is no balance and things are out of control. Problem is, most of society scrutinizes,judges and would be agast even if they knew the proper turn about and what should really be done. Men have no power and no say and as much as woman may think they love the power it is eating them up. I did work and had a very masculine type job. I no longer have that job it changed me to much. I was becoming agressive and unfeminine. I adore my husband and have a wonderful family. I respect him and it is because he will not tolerate nonsense and I know if I misbehave I will be bent over his his knee to be spanked or over the bed for the strap. He is the kindest, loving man ever!!!! I feel loved, safe and traken care of… that is all that is needed to restore the natural balance:)))) please pardon the typos as I am not going back to proof:)))
Becky,
I agree!
Men are becoming less manly! It’s such a terrible turn off for me 
im a half-russian 20 yr old american girl, and agree there are many fat/rude/obnoxious girls here in the United States. There are nice, pretty ones too, but I know of the women you guys are talking about. ^-^
). I also noticed a few people above stating that the women from Russia (and that area) have good eating habits…I too only eat when I am hungry (if I am at a restaurant and the food is expensive, I’ll just take it to go and eat it later when I am hungry haha).
One of my best friends growing up was from Russia — her mom was a mail-order bride…both were beautiful, sweet, and fun. The mom divorced the American man she married, but I think that was because they were not in love…The girls I have met from Europe (I was an exchange student and met students from all over there, and through my school in Cali)have for the most part been sweet, fun, smart, and beautiful.
I think the problem in the United States is that we are bombarded with “propaganda” and also lack unity (I think a reason girls in California beach towns are usually very pretty in comparison to girls in other states is because we have that pride in our states and cities :3).
I’m really proud of my Russian heritage, and I try and be as good of a person/girlfirend/future wife as I can (do to anime girls as well
One thing I also think should be mentioned is that America *seems* to be one of the only places in the world it is socially acceptable to get drunk in public. ^-^ i dunno why i mentioned that, but i did…
but yea…if u want a good American girl come to California (hippie culture instills really good morals and attitudes) or date a smart and naturally pretty girl!
Just be careful with mail-order brides although I agree that Russian women are very beautiful and I like how they act so feminine and yet mature >o<
Looks like they don’t =)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101030/en_afp/lifestylemissworldwomenchina
As I am from England I can only comment on British women. Most of the women I have come into contact with or being involved with are totally messed up. Just like our economy. Guess I have come across the wrong ones but can only make judgement on my own experiences.